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Has anyone used the Lehigh Defense 45gr Controlled Chaos (leadfree or non) in a load and tested it? I'm curious to see how well the round would perform at FsN generated velocities.
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Those almost look like Barnes Banded Solids but with a hollow point. I might have to try some of those :ponder: Thanks for posting it
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Yes I have and they perform better than my 27 grain reloads at 2450 FPS. Well the word got out now about them lets how long it takes until they are banned by someone calling it in. That is why I ordered two 500 round lots .
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I moonlight as an enabler. :laugh:Rapier1772 wrote:Those almost look like Barnes Banded Solids but with a hollow point. I might have to try some of those :ponder: Thanks for posting it
I've seen some of the tests of the other rounds and they're pretty impressive. ShootingTheBull410 did a test of the .45Colt load that was for the Taurus Judge/S&W Governor and that thing was nightmarish...the petals opened to over *two inches*...
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Outstanding! This might be the catalyst to get into reloading.bruteandbear1 wrote:Yes I have and they perform better than my 27 grain reloads at 2450 FPS. Well the word got out now about them lets how long it takes until they are banned by someone calling it in. That is why I ordered two 500 round lots .
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Yes they are brass. I asked Lehigh about them. They are coming out with something in the future that may appease the ATF gauds better.
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Jeesh :wall: You all are gonna ruin my fun with these rounds like the Barnes BBS. :p
P.S. Like Brute I have been shooting these for awhile now with various powders. They leave a nice permanent wound pattern in ballistics gel.
Max for these bullets is around 5.9gr for both True Blue and Longshot.
P.S. Like Brute I have been shooting these for awhile now with various powders. They leave a nice permanent wound pattern in ballistics gel.
Max for these bullets is around 5.9gr for both True Blue and Longshot.
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Would you guys, who are already loading these, be willing to share your load info? Or is it the same as what is posted for another 45gr bullet?
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Dammit Grimmond are secret is out :wall: . Now some a**hole is going to go to the ATF because either it takes there business away or some liberal who hates 5.7 especially a round made from brass.
I am definitely not trying to hide anything from my fellow forum members and legit shooting enthusiast and Rapier I will send you a PM. I am sure Grimmond will help you to. He has more experience than I do with the Controlled Chaos.
I am definitely not trying to hide anything from my fellow forum members and legit shooting enthusiast and Rapier I will send you a PM. I am sure Grimmond will help you to. He has more experience than I do with the Controlled Chaos.
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I appreciate the help guys, now if I could just get my order to go through :wall:
I am definitely NOT trying to ruin anyone's fun with these rounds.
Didn't Barnes shoot themselves in the foot so to speak with the BBS? They got in a huff about a round & complained to the BATFE. It turned out the rounds were a turned down version of one of theirs? Or something like that?
Too bad, I liked the BBS
I am definitely NOT trying to ruin anyone's fun with these rounds.
Didn't Barnes shoot themselves in the foot so to speak with the BBS? They got in a huff about a round & complained to the BATFE. It turned out the rounds were a turned down version of one of theirs? Or something like that?
Too bad, I liked the BBS
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I just now tried to buy another 500 round pack. I have ordered a lot of Lehigh controlled chaos with out any issues in the past and now it won't take the orders which means someone already called it in to ATF!!! Damn this is BS
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Or they could be out of stock and aren't taking backorders?
Did it allow you to add it to the cart and fail when you checked out or were you unable to add it to the cart?
Did it allow you to add it to the cart and fail when you checked out or were you unable to add it to the cart?
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Yep, it's in the cart & it says in stock but it fails back to the credit card window. I have checked, rechecked, reentered the info but still a no go.
Even tried calling today, no answer but left message.
Even tried calling today, no answer but left message.
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I just completed an order. It says confirmed and email sent. Did you click the radio button to the left of the credit card symbols? I did not find it till the third time I entered my card info. Good luck. Just checked and I still have not received the email yet.
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Finally got it to go through.
Cleared all the cookies & gave it another go. Can't say for certain if I hit the radio button before but made a point of it this time. Maybe that is the thing I was missing before Don't care now
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Cleared all the cookies & gave it another go. Can't say for certain if I hit the radio button before but made a point of it this time. Maybe that is the thing I was missing before Don't care now
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So is the Barnes Banded Solid made of copper or brass and I am talking about the .224 banded solid?
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It was made of brass, just like the Controlled Chaos.
The Controlled Chaos are hollow point whereas the BBS were solid
These are BBS:
The Controlled Chaos are hollow point whereas the BBS were solid
These are BBS:
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Thanks Rapier!! I just ordered another 500 round case!! The controlled chaos tumbles if it does not hit wet!! Plus in my mind a 45 grain projectile is ideal for a self defense round in this platform. I take it banded solids also tumbled?
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No, BBS were designed to punch straight through varmints so as to not damage the pelts.
Little hole in, little hole out - make sure your shot counts.
Have to wait for them to bleed out I guess, kind of like bowhunting in that respect now that I think of it. :ponder:
Little hole in, little hole out - make sure your shot counts.
Have to wait for them to bleed out I guess, kind of like bowhunting in that respect now that I think of it. :ponder:
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Re: Lehigh Defense "Controlled Chaos"
What type of velocity are you guys getting with the 45 grain CC?
And, has anyone tested it in Gel? Does it fragment, tumble, or punch straight through at 5.7 velocity?
And, has anyone tested it in Gel? Does it fragment, tumble, or punch straight through at 5.7 velocity?
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From the FSN it is not going fast enough to fragment as you can see in my 20% Gel test. Depending on the powder used I have chronographed it as high as 2004fps using the EFK threaded barrel. My Normal load avg 1910fps.
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Well that's kinda sucky. I bought these for the 5.7 platforms but I may have to use them in the AR-15 if they don't play well.
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Rapier; I sent you a PM on the testing of the LeHigh rounds Grimmond sent me.
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Are they made to fragment, or tumble and yaw like the 28gr open tip rounds?
Second question, what twist would it take to stabilize a 45gr round out of a .223/5.56? My impression was that 1:7 was better for 62+ and 1:9 was <55, with 1:8 falling somewhere in between. Do they make other twist rates, at least for ARs?
Second question, what twist would it take to stabilize a 45gr round out of a .223/5.56? My impression was that 1:7 was better for 62+ and 1:9 was <55, with 1:8 falling somewhere in between. Do they make other twist rates, at least for ARs?
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According to Lehigh they are designed to fragment from hydrolic pressure, but it requires a faster velocity. They did not appear to tumble or fragment in that gel unless I am reading the results wrong. They were designed as a round for the AR15 and they have them already loaded for those that don't reload. They have no issue with any of the twist rates in the AR that I have heard of.
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They appear to tumble when i do my testing!! I love them but they require a faster velocity to fragment. I have shot a pork shoulder with one and it got a bigger wound channel than my buddies 45acp hydrashock:-). So even though they don't fragment the wound channels are pretty amazing. I use them for self defense and they are also the most accurate of all my reloads.
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My box of 500 of these showed up yesterday. Did anyone else notice if their box says "obsolete" after the bullet description? I am wondering if we are getting the last run of these bullets. If so I might order another box to put on the shelf for later use. I am about to the point of losing the battle of not getting a PS90, so the extra velocity out of the PS90 may make these bullets act as designed. My will power has been strong enough to keep from buying the PS90 since I bought the FsN 3 years ago, but I think that may change soon. If I could find a good deal on a new or slightly used tri-rail, I would buy it today.
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From their website:kmiles wrote:...Did anyone else notice if their box says "obsolete" after the bullet description? I am wondering if we are getting the last run of these bullets. If so I might order another box to put on the shelf for later use...
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I see that now. Did not go into the bullet details when I ordered. I guess I will get a couple more boxes for the shelf.
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Guys just a FYI. The new design is the exact same and the metal was changed slightly for PRC. The only difference is in the composition of the metal. I have both versions and they look identical. The new metal has no lead in it to be California compliant. I have fired both many times and have not noticed any difference. If you want a cheap price buy the old. But there is not an issue with production.
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I really wish companies wouldn't kowtow to California...but I guess that's a discussion for another thread.
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Grimmond I shot a level 3A vest strapped to a filing cabinet with the 3/32" sheet metal dividers in them. When it went through the vest and through the dividers the hole was much bigger than the bullet and it also tumbled through all 3 of the dividers and found the bullet caught on the bottom of filing cabinet. When I shot my pork shoulder the wound channel was much bigger than my 27 grain reloads and also bigger than the 45acp pork shoulder test.grimmond wrote:According to Lehigh they are designed to fragment from hydrolic pressure, but it requires a faster velocity. They did not appear to tumble or fragment in that gel unless I am reading the results wrong. They were designed as a round for the AR15 and they have them already loaded for those that don't reload. They have no issue with any of the twist rates in the AR that I have heard of.
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I finally loaded up some of these for testing this past weekend using True Blue, once fired brass with CCI Small Rifle primers. These loads were for the FsN with a stock barrel.
I started at 5.2 grains of True Blue, and worked up to 5.8. I have not purchased a chrono yet because my range is an elevated platform, so it would be difficult to set up there, so no speeds. Loaded 5 of each, and all functioned fine. The 5.2 seemed a bit weak on the recoil, but it got better as I went up. Saw some very slight flattening of the primers at 5.7 grains. At 5.8 the flattening of the primers and "flowing" of the primer strike point was much more pronounced. I am not comfortable above 5.8 grains, and will back down to 5.6 when I load them in bulk.
Accuracy was about the same across the range and is most likely a factor of the shooter more than the load or bullet. Our pistol range is 15 yards, and was hitting about a 4 inch group at that range, unsupported. Out of 35 shots fired, all but 1-2 would be head or heart shots easily.
We have some 1/4" and 5/16" scrap steel at work, so I might take bring the FsN to work and see if and at what ranges they will go through.
I started at 5.2 grains of True Blue, and worked up to 5.8. I have not purchased a chrono yet because my range is an elevated platform, so it would be difficult to set up there, so no speeds. Loaded 5 of each, and all functioned fine. The 5.2 seemed a bit weak on the recoil, but it got better as I went up. Saw some very slight flattening of the primers at 5.7 grains. At 5.8 the flattening of the primers and "flowing" of the primer strike point was much more pronounced. I am not comfortable above 5.8 grains, and will back down to 5.6 when I load them in bulk.
Accuracy was about the same across the range and is most likely a factor of the shooter more than the load or bullet. Our pistol range is 15 yards, and was hitting about a 4 inch group at that range, unsupported. Out of 35 shots fired, all but 1-2 would be head or heart shots easily.
We have some 1/4" and 5/16" scrap steel at work, so I might take bring the FsN to work and see if and at what ranges they will go through.
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Go to about 17 minute mark i've chrono'd all the True Blue it should help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTM2MswyLgg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Have you done a video with the 45 gr. controlled chaos? It looks like that video is only using the 40 gr. vmax. The max loads and velocities differ quite a bit between the 2 bullets.
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no but i did one with the 35 grain V-Max max load 8.2 grains Accurate No. 7 blew the primers right out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xld71Nn83xQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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kmiles, I and others have found the max to be 5.8gr.. Above that is damaging to your pistol and self. 5.4gr to 5.6gr will be ok for bulk. 5.6gr to 5.8gr will shorten the life of reloading the brass.
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8.2 of #7?jkelley209 wrote:no but i did one with the 35 grain V-Max max load 8.2 grains Accurate No. 7 blew the primers right out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xld71Nn83xQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
WTF You went straight to the max?
With that FPS you where at 65k PSI.
You really need to stick to tried and tested load data here on the forum.
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Jay, How do you get the velocities you get?
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For one thing thousands of rounds tested over almost a decade now, thousands invested in ballistic lab equipment and also using non commercial powders.jkelley209 wrote:Jay, How do you get the velocities you get?
For every powder a hand loader can buy in a jug there are 10+ not counting custom blended commercial powders.
These keg powders they are called, even though they don't come in kegs anymore, have no load data. Just density, size, shape and energy measured in joules. You have to start from scratch and create all load data.
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I bought some of Lehigh's HERO rounds (9mm) - I thought I sent some to Buff for some testing, must of been some of the other stuff I have. They look pretty brutal, the controlled chaos rounds look good, but the multiple projectile rounds look especially devastating.
http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2013 ... iumum.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
They're 70 grain, but out of the test barrel (FnH 4" barrel) , 1650 fps & the video in the link is pretty cool. The gel from the test literally jumps off the table upon impact. These rounds only expand upon impact through hydraulic energy ( wet ). Buff,it didn't send you any, you wanna try em out on some jugs? I don't have the set up you do and of course, you do make the best videos.
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They're 70 grain, but out of the test barrel (FnH 4" barrel) , 1650 fps & the video in the link is pretty cool. The gel from the test literally jumps off the table upon impact. These rounds only expand upon impact through hydraulic energy ( wet ). Buff,it didn't send you any, you wanna try em out on some jugs? I don't have the set up you do and of course, you do make the best videos.
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What was the load you were using?bruteandbear1 wrote:Grimmond I shot a level 3A vest strapped to a filing cabinet with the 3/32" sheet metal dividers in them. When it went through the vest and through the dividers the hole was much bigger than the bullet and it also tumbled through all 3 of the dividers and found the bullet caught on the bottom of filing cabinet. When I shot my pork shoulder the wound channel was much bigger than my 27 grain reloads and also bigger than the 45acp pork shoulder test.grimmond wrote:According to Lehigh they are designed to fragment from hydrolic pressure, but it requires a faster velocity. They did not appear to tumble or fragment in that gel unless I am reading the results wrong. They were designed as a round for the AR15 and they have them already loaded for those that don't reload. They have no issue with any of the twist rates in the AR that I have heard of.
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Sorry to bump such an old thread, but was wondering, has anyone used this projectile in either the PS90 or PS90 SBR? And if so, what loads/ velocities were you getting?
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I have not tried them out of the PS90. I have several hundred loaded with 5.6 of true blue as that is what I carry in the FsN for self defense, but True Blue is not the best powder for the longer barrels. I can put together a ladder using HS6 or longshot for the PS90 and report back if you are not in too much of a hurry, or if someone else does not come forward with data.
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Thank you, that would be fantastic! I had snagged a bunch of these projectiles when they were on sale, but have yet to get into reloading them as there's not too much load data for them. What velocity are you getting with them out of you FsN?kmiles wrote:I have not tried them out of the PS90. I have several hundred loaded with 5.6 of true blue as that is what I carry in the FsN for self defense, but True Blue is not the best powder for the longer barrels. I can put together a ladder using HS6 or longshot for the PS90 and report back if you are not in too much of a hurry, or if someone else does not come forward with data.
I'm thinking of getting my PS90 SBR'd, and playing around with the ballistics calculator, thought the 45gr CC might make the best general purpose load for it. With a BC of 0.229, if they can hit 2200 out of the 10" barrel, they'd still be doing 1700 / 292 ft/lbs at 150 yards, which would be solid performance for a little PDW.
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Perhaps EA would be willing to load some? I'd be more than willing to test..
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As cool as this would be, I would be wary of Elite or R&R or any commercial interest loading the CC in 5.7x28 as it is a Brass projectile. While technically a Frangible, "Brass Jacket Air Core," it still may raise some eyebrows / lead to the projectile getting discontinued like the Barnes BBS.Buffman wrote:Perhaps EA would be willing to load some? I'd be more than willing to test..
Now if one of our very talented reloaders were to provide a few rounds for testing, I think that would be very cool. Especially how it performs out of your new PS90 SBR, and whether it starts to fragment at over 2000fps as claimed, or whether it tumbles.
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Brass issue as stated.
Some solid copper hollow point in the 40gr range are on their way to Buffman right now.
It is for our long missed X-Terminator TSX based round.
It is a modern design though using a softer so it expands copper. This round would also likely be a great SD round.
Some solid copper hollow point in the 40gr range are on their way to Buffman right now.
It is for our long missed X-Terminator TSX based round.
It is a modern design though using a softer so it expands copper. This round would also likely be a great SD round.
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How come that weight was chosen over a lighter one at higher speeds?
I recall you stating speed and lightweight projectiles are key in the 5.7. Seems the speed would help expansion too.
Always curious.
I recall you stating speed and lightweight projectiles are key in the 5.7. Seems the speed would help expansion too.
Always curious.
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Because you need to strike a balance between speed, weight, type of bullet and getting it to fit in the case.
40gr and below is the sweet spot for 5.7x28mm.
40gr and below is the sweet spot for 5.7x28mm.
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