Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Reloading info for the 5.7x28mm

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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by Bongos » 18 Jan 2011, 16:06

Just bought two PS90 and a 5.7 in route, question, is the Lee Pacesetter dies: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?p ... roductDesc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
the same one in the equipment list.. granted it's 2011 compared to the 2008 list. Just want to make sure before I place the order.

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Post by GSPKurt » 16 Jun 2011, 11:48

f3rr37 wrote:
Grantness wrote:The shells fit in the shellholder for the case length gage/trimmer....at least I have had no problems with mine.
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.e ... mid=266946" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; That? I had to use a dremel to open up the mouth for the case to slip in.
This is a dead link.

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Post by rdmallory » 13 Aug 2011, 18:09

Call LEE, I think they still make them there just not listed.

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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by s64woody » 19 Nov 2011, 18:52

If my conversation with the Lee product support people is correct the 5.7 dies available are not pacesetter dies, as the Factory Crimp Die is not included. The available die set is a two die set, the same size and bullet seating die as the pacesetter set, just no FCD. There is some issue with making the shorter length crimp die using the available equipment?

The product support person was helpful. His claim was that the collet part of the FCD is made of a steel that is not easily welded, so making a FCD using a 218 BEE FCD appears dependent on getting a 218 BEE die with shorter "cuts" in it. This was mentioned in another discussion here, by EA, I think. Unless some kind person figures out a process to weld up a little bit of the cuts.....

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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by Jrobertson1989 » 19 Dec 2011, 17:49

I am new to reloading and would like to know the specific equipment I need to start reloading my 5.7x28mm brass. If anyone on here has had success with a specific type of press, die, ext. please let me know what you used.

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Post by s64woody » 27 Dec 2011, 21:46

The night's exercise was to run a small batch of test loads, which means that I had to sort out all of my reloading equipment for suitability with the 5.7. ALL of the Lee equipment I have bought for this cartridge appear to be top shelf. I mentioned in a new thread that the shell holder was modified to gain clearance on cratered primers, but otherwise everything else functioned flawlessly.

NONE of my regular powder measures seemed happy with dropping small charges of AA#7, which is the powder I am starting with. Ended up using an old Bonanza rotary measure that I used in my bullseye shooting days, then trickled up to the various loads I wanted. What is the magic bullet today for powder measures?

Others have made comments about the Lee AutoPrime shell holder not fitting. Mine was perfect, as received from Lee, but I note that the AutoPrime I have is about 30 years old.

My initial bullet to experiment with is the Sierra 40 gr. Hornet bullet, #1200. That flat based little darling is difficult to start straight, and one or two ended up causing the case neck to not be concentric with the bore axis, by a little bit. I will be interested to see if that makes much difference.

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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by curlysir » 28 Dec 2011, 09:54

s64woody wrote:If my conversation with the Lee product support people is correct the 5.7 dies available are not pacesetter dies, as the Factory Crimp Die is not included. The available die set is a two die set, the same size and bullet seating die as the pacesetter set, just no FCD. There is some issue with making the shorter length crimp die using the available equipment?

The product support person was helpful. His claim was that the collet part of the FCD is made of a steel that is not easily welded, so making a FCD using a 218 BEE FCD appears dependent on getting a 218 BEE die with shorter "cuts" in it. This was mentioned in another discussion here, by EA, I think. Unless some kind person figures out a process to weld up a little bit of the cuts.....
I really do not understand why Lee does not make a Factory Crimp Die. Several here (including me) have successfully modified the 218 Bee and 223 Rem. die to crimp the 5.7. See this thread viewtopic.php?f=19&t=170" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. You do have to get a die with the shorter cuts but it is a rather simple process with the right die. I also wish lee would make a shell plate for their progressive press.

I now have my Lee Turret Press set up to load the 5.7 and have reloaded about 150 rounds so far. Have shot about 40 rounds with out any problems.

My next project is to get the powder measurement automated as this is the most time consuming part right now. I am hand measuring each charge at the moment.

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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by s64woody » 30 Dec 2011, 19:53

Curlysir When I spoke with Lee they said that they COULD NOT make a 5.7 FCD with the equipment they had. I note that it was simply childs play to shorten the 218 BEE FCD to use with the 5.7. I believe they do not WANT to go to the trouble for a low demand item.

Possibly I was just lucky that my die had short "slots" cut into it. I only removed about .235 inches in length to get the correct length. There was a whole lot of meat left. Maybe I am too hard on Lee.

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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by GONRA » 31 Dec 2011, 13:52

s64woody sez: "My initial bullet to experiment with is the Sierra 40 gr. Hornet bullet, #1200. That flat based little darling is difficult to start straight, ..."

GONRA and many other use the Hornady .224 seat die that solves these problems.
Can't remember exact Hornady nomenclature, but it verks GREAT with 5.7x28FN!

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Post by s64woody » 31 Dec 2011, 16:32

Woody sez thanks for the tip. Never tried to use that die set, will have to find one. The LEE bullet seating die is functional, but challenged in this regards.

I have positively settled the question about using the Dillion powder measure to throw charges using fine ball power. Does not work with fine ball powder, it jams up and will not throw consistent charges. At least the two Dillon powder measures I have will not work. They are the original units from my RL 450

Working up loads with the single stage press is fine. I cannot imagine using it to produce ammo, once the development work is done. So I need to find an option that will work with the Dillon....

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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by GONRA » 01 Jan 2012, 13:41

GONRA found the plastic Hornady die containers.
Sliding sleeve orients bullet axially whilst seating.
These should verk with any reasonable cartidge that uses
.224 or .308 inch diameter bullets. Labels:

044102 DIE BS #2 (.224) 22 CAL W/146

044112 DIE BS #12 (.308) 30 CAL W/147

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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by WA-Tom » 09 Jan 2012, 00:46

Someone has to find a better way to size these brass. I crunch about 1 in 5 of them with the sizing die. The neck collapses. I am using redding dies on a custom Dillon 650 setup I built. Anyone have any suggestions on what's causing the brass to collapse?

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Post by s64woody » 09 Jan 2012, 07:08

WA-TOM: using Lee dies on a single stage press until I get the Dillon going. Have not lost a single case the way you describe.

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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by bullzeye » 19 Jan 2012, 22:40

try using lube inside of the necks. my preference is hornady case lube in the aerosol can.

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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by khmer6 » 29 Jan 2012, 16:46

Haven't had any problems using Lee's dies and single stage press.

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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by Burt » 25 Feb 2012, 10:38

I am using RCBS dies and I have collapsed the neck on everyone of the shells that I have tried to put through. The die sizes so tight that I have to work the shell in part way then out until it get to the sizing otherwise the case gets stuck. I have had to pull several cases with the tap and pull method. Once I get to the neck sizing it just collapses to the shoulder. :wall:

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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by panzermk2 » 25 Feb 2012, 10:52

Burt wrote:I am using RCBS dies and I have collapsed the neck on everyone of the shells that I have tried to put through. The die sizes so tight that I have to work the shell in part way then out until it get to the sizing otherwise the case gets stuck. I have had to pull several cases with the tap and pull method. Once I get to the neck sizing it just collapses to the shoulder. :wall:
I use RCBS dies. They are my first choice for all the large caliber custom rifle ammo I make. RCBS though is my last choice for the 5.7x28. I would suggest getting a set of cheap azz LEE when you get a chance.

What lube are you using?

You may want to polish the inside pf the die also.
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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by Hinglby » 07 Mar 2012, 14:13

Hello everyone. I am new to this site but have been viewing for a while and decided to share some findings on factory loads.

I have about 5000 rounds total of the SS197SR, but I purchased a new box of the SS197SR from Midway USA just to do some checking. I pulled all the bullets and weighed them. All were right at 40g +-.05g. Every case measured exactly the same within +-.0005". Now comes the odd part. I measured the powder charge from every one of the 50 rounds and it was erratic. I got anywhere from 3.85 grains to 5.82 grains.

A little back ground: I used a Collete Bullet Puller, a brown and sharp digital micrometer, a brown and sharp ID digital micrometer, a Mitutoyo OD 3 jaw micrometer and a professional lad scale calibrated and accurate to .0015 grain. I verified the scale after every 5th measurement.

So the reason for my experiment is because I've read so much about how the 5.7x28mm is hard to reload, it picky and you have to be accurate to +-.1 grain or it could blow up in your hand. Based on what I found, the OEM rounds are not very precise on their use of whatever powder they are using.

I have a the RCBS dies, 318bee converted crimp die, 40g bullets and 35g bullets, Accurate #5, #7 and #9 powder along with four manuals. I've loaded up 10 rounds of 5 different formulas staying 10% below the minimum powder charge. I'm still not sure if I want to squeeze the trigger.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by Thedirtyheat » 07 Mar 2012, 17:18

Was the data you were using for crimped or uncrimped rounds? Crimping is a huge game changer on 5.7 and I have had no issues with uncrimped rounds I simply don't find that extra added possible inconsistency worth it at all.

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