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Re: A place for questions

Post by Mister Freeze » 26 Sep 2012, 13:08

I've had to use both primaries snd rechargables: on the fly, sometimes you just have to get some off the shelf. I found the Ultrafire ss host for $24, so cheap enough to be worth it.

25%, 100%, and strobe (in that order)
7000k white bordering on blue
All modes regulated. I eagerly await your findings!

Apart from the bling, this should be quite a light!

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Post by blueorison » 26 Sep 2012, 13:25

Yes, the bigger light is rated for 2 batts.

I looked it up, and I was wrong, they were only $9.

UltraFire 300Lm CREE C8 Q5 5 Mode LED Flashlight Torch(White/Blue/Warm white)
- Light Color: White
- Color: silver

I don't have calibers, but I have a... ruler? :D

So basically, Mike, none of the rechargeable batteries will work? They don't have any for CR123A's?
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Re: A place for questions

Post by MikeSantor » 26 Sep 2012, 13:54

Mister Freeze wrote:I've had to use both primaries snd rechargables: on the fly, sometimes you just have to get some off the shelf. I found the Ultrafire ss host for $24, so cheap enough to be worth it.

25%, 100%, and strobe (in that order)
7000k white bordering on blue
All modes regulated. I eagerly await your findings!

Apart from the bling, this should be quite a light!
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If you dont like the shininess you can send the host to me and I can throw it in my media tumbler and give it a nice tumbled finish? Its great to hide scratches. I have about $800 bucks in different tumbling media...

blueorison wrote:Yes, the bigger light is rated for 2 batts.

I looked it up, and I was wrong, they were only $9.

UltraFire 300Lm CREE C8 Q5 5 Mode LED Flashlight Torch(White/Blue/Warm white)
- Light Color: White
- Color: silver

I don't have calibers, but I have a... ruler? :D

So basically, Mike, none of the rechargeable batteries will work? They don't have any for CR123A's?
Yup, that light is rated up to 9v.

These batteries should work but with out calipers there is no way to find out on your end.
http://www.lighthound.com/AW-RCR123a-Pr ... p_114.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Your best bet is to get an 18650. The light will be brighter and have longer run time and that light says the host fits them. That is the ticket man. Screw the RCR123s...

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Re: A place for questions

Post by blueorison » 26 Sep 2012, 14:10

Yeah, Mike. I'm thinking, just get the 18650 for the big lights, and say screw it on the rechargeable batteries for the TLR-1s. They don't recommend them and it just isn't worth it to risk overloading the light though Streamlight was great about fixing it the last time it broke due to recoil. I'll just buy regular CR123A's.

Do you know if the Ultrafire already has an aspherical reflector in it? I'm no expert and can't tell from just looking.
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Re: A place for questions

Post by MikeSantor » 26 Sep 2012, 16:14

Ooo I was confused. I thought you meant the rechargables didn't fit in the big light. I read it wrong. You meant they didnt fit in the streamlight. I understand now.

The rechargables will fry the TLR1. You have to stick with primaries.

Primaries for the TLR1 and 18650 for the big light.


Which ultrafire are you talking about with an aspheric? Your not talking about the one you posted are you? there are a lot of different ultrafire lights. I do believe they sell some with asperics.

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Post by blueorison » 26 Sep 2012, 16:38

Yeah! I got it, now. Primaries with TLR so I don't fry it; and the 18650 for the big light.

It is this one http://www.amazon.com/UltraFire-300Lm-5 ... B005CFULY8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Can you tell if it uses an aspheric reflector or not? The beam seems pretty tight but there is a large, dim, halo around the tight beam.

What's a good rechargeable 18650 battery brand?
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Post by MikeSantor » 26 Sep 2012, 16:51

No thats a regular lens with smooth reflector.

Go with AW. this:

http://www.lighthound.com/AW-18650-Prot ... _3954.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by blueorison » 26 Sep 2012, 17:53

MikeSantor wrote:No thats a regular lens with smooth reflector.

Go with AW. this:

http://www.lighthound.com/AW-18650-Prot ... _3954.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Ok, Mike. I went out and read a bunch of info on aspheric lenses. I guess the conundrum comes down to if the measurements are right, so that the lens can actually focus the light and not make it fuzzy. So far, this is my understanding of it, so if I'm wrong, please correct me.

Based on this, I realized that the smaller light that I used for caving had an aspheric lens in it. I think. When you push the head out, the light focuses into a tight beam, and projects the LED (it looks squarish and lego-like) onto the surface.

I'm going to get the battery. Should be able to take this light outdoors, in the future, for longer reach.
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Re: A place for questions

Post by MikeSantor » 26 Sep 2012, 18:12

You have it exactly right blue. Ash's kit screws onto the pill of a drop in so it can be focused. The beam is the most focused when the square projection of the LED is the most crisp and clear.

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Post by Mister Freeze » 26 Sep 2012, 18:20

From what I've seen, don't most of these LED's have some sort of bubble lens directly on them? What kind of beam would they have without that?

Host ordered. Aspheric kit ordered. Up to $80...

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Post by blueorison » 26 Sep 2012, 18:39

MikeSantor wrote:You have it exactly right blue. Ash's kit screws onto the pill of a drop in so it can be focused. The beam is the most focused when the square projection of the LED is the most crisp and clear.
Ok, Mike, so what do I have to do to get this bad boy to be the best long ranger thrower I can get it.
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Post by Mister Freeze » 27 Sep 2012, 03:00

I think Blue needs what I'm building. Adding an aspheric kit would do a lot of good, and upgrading from 300lm would do more.

This is what I currently use

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-84LDD1M ... ata_player" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by blueorison » 27 Sep 2012, 15:14

Ok, I did a little homework, and this is what came back;

"DealExtreme and Manafont have some, just be sure about the diameter of the original lens and search for an aspheric with the same diameter. The reflector is not the lens."

It is time for me to finally get a good pair of calipers.
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Post by MikeSantor » 01 Oct 2012, 16:58

blueorison wrote:
MikeSantor wrote:You have it exactly right blue. Ash's kit screws onto the pill of a drop in so it can be focused. The beam is the most focused when the square projection of the LED is the most crisp and clear.
Ok, Mike, so what do I have to do to get this bad boy to be the best long ranger thrower I can get it.
Freeze is right. He is building a pretty bad ars thrower. You would be doing EXTREMELY well getting what he is getting.
Mister Freeze wrote:From what I've seen, don't most of these LED's have some sort of bubble lens directly on them? What kind of beam would they have without that?

Host ordered. Aspheric kit ordered. Up to $80...
The LEDs come with a dome. You can De Dome them and get a little more throw but the led CAN burn out suddenly and it WILL shorten the life of it. A lot of people De Dome the SST90 LED. They actually just made a De Domed SST90 called the SBT90. Another really good LED for throw. Lots of heat through. Not too good in the small form factor of the p60.

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Post by blueorison » 01 Oct 2012, 17:07

Thanks for the info, Mike.

And Freeze, for doing the work for me :)

I'll check out your light after you're done with it!
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Post by MikeSantor » 01 Oct 2012, 17:12

Yea, Sorry for the delay. Thurs-Sundays are my hell days at work. Get your questions in before thursdays :)

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Re: A place for questions

Post by Mister Freeze » 01 Oct 2012, 17:20

OK battery questions. My Sparker came with a single 18650 and an adaptor for 3xAAA batteries. From what I understand, 2xCR123's= 1x18650. Does that also mean 2xcr123=3xAAA? I have several 3xAAA lights (cheapies w/30x conventional LED's); can I put 18650's or CR123's in them?

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Post by MikeSantor » 01 Oct 2012, 17:31

What do you mean by =?

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Post by Rapier1772 » 01 Oct 2012, 17:51

Whatz the best flashlight for taking out bear & cougar?
I go out hiking in the mountains & there is a chance I could ran across them. I needz to be ablez to fryz them in a momentz notize.
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Rapier1772 wrote:Whatz the best flashlight for taking out bear & cougar?
I go out hiking in the mountains & there is a chance I could ran across them. I needz to be ablez to fryz them in a momentz notize.
Do you mean either or? Like one at a time, either a bear, or a cougar? Or both at once, like a bear from the left and a cougar from the right? Or them together, like a Bougar (TM) or maybe like a totem pole where the cougar is on the bear's shoulders? We can't help if you aren't specific.

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Post by MikeSantor » 01 Oct 2012, 17:55

Rapier1772 wrote:Whatz the best flashlight for taking out bear & cougar?
I go out hiking in the mountains & there is a chance I could ran across them. I needz to be ablez to fryz them in a momentz notize.
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Post by blueorison » 01 Oct 2012, 18:15

MikeSantor wrote:
Rapier1772 wrote:Whatz the best flashlight for taking out bear & cougar?
I go out hiking in the mountains & there is a chance I could ran across them. I needz to be ablez to fryz them in a momentz notize.
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PainKillaX wrote:
Rapier1772 wrote:Whatz the best flashlight for taking out bear & cougar?
I go out hiking in the mountains & there is a chance I could ran across them. I needz to be ablez to fryz them in a momentz notize.
Do you mean either or? Like one at a time, either a bear, or a cougar? Or both at once, like a bear from the left and a cougar from the right? Or them together, like a Bougar (TM) or maybe like a totem pole where the cougar is on the bear's shoulders? We can't help if you aren't specific.
Bothz at once cuz I am the greatest threat & they has to team up. Last time I was able to fend them off cuz my 10 D-cell titanium case Uber-helder light blindedz one of them when I heard one make noise. But the bear still tried to get me so I hitted him so hard that it bent the casing. Now the batteries are dead (it goez thru them fast) and I can't getz them out.
My buddy's got a custom shop that will fix it but he like off in his private jet for a while doing врвна тајна stuff. Gotta wait til he gets back. I need something in the meantime in case they try something again...
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PainKillaX wrote:
Rapier1772 wrote:Whatz the best flashlight for taking out bear & cougar?
I go out hiking in the mountains & there is a chance I could ran across them. I needz to be ablez to fryz them in a momentz notize.
Do you mean either or? Like one at a time, either a bear, or a cougar? Or both at once, like a bear from the left and a cougar from the right? Or them together, like a Bougar (TM) or maybe like a totem pole where the cougar is on the bear's shoulders? We can't help if you aren't specific.
Killing cougers is wrong. They are beneficial to the eco-system. If you try, I hope your flashlight negligently discharges.
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Re: A place for questions

Post by Mister Freeze » 02 Oct 2012, 05:46

MikeSantor wrote:What do you mean by =?

Equals, same as, interchangeable with, etc. :p

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Re: A place for questions

Post by MikeSantor » 02 Oct 2012, 15:11

Freeze, let me start by answering a question with a question. Lets take the 18650 battery for example. You do know what "18650" means, right?

Not trying to be stupid I just want to make sure you know whats up before you buy a bunch of stuff, Hosts, drop ins, etc, and something goes wrong...



To answer you question directly:
Mister Freeze wrote:OK battery questions. My Sparker came with a single 18650 and an adaptor for 3xAAA batteries. From what I understand, 2xCR123's= 1x18650. Does that also mean 2xcr123=3xAAA? I have several 3xAAA lights (cheapies w/30x conventional LED's); can I put 18650's or CR123's in them?
The reason your Sparker can run on all of that is it has a HUGE voltage range on the driver. Like I have stated before in this post, thats a good and a bad thing. Good because you can use a lot of different stuff, Bad because it uses energy a LOT less efficient.


Mister Freeze wrote: 2xCR123's= 1x18650
no.

CR123s are 3v so 2 of them = 6v
18650s are 3.7v (4.2v when fresh off the charger.

equation simplifie: 6v does not = 3.7v
Mister Freeze wrote: 2xcr123=3xAAA
no.

CR123s are 3v so 2 of them = 6v
3xAAA are 1.5v so 3 of them = 4.5v

Equation simplifie: 6v does not = 4.5v






Another BIG thing you have to understand is this, 18650s have a much less internal resistance than CRs, 16350s and 18350s. This means that you can drive 18650s a lot harder than you can the former without them blowing up. This is another reason I push the use of 18650s so much.

Then take it a step further. Use the red AW IMR cells and they have even a lower internal resistance. This means safer cell.

Freeze, after hearing the new driver plan, It sounds like Wayne is putting a 4.2A driver on it. I would stick with an IMR 18650. You will get higher output than a regular 18650 and it will be safer. IMR is just a different cell chemistry if you are wondering...


Regular 18650:

http://www.oveready.com/batteries-charg ... d_186.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

IMR 18650:

http://www.oveready.com/batteries-charg ... od_47.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: A place for questions

Post by Mister Freeze » 02 Oct 2012, 16:51

Again, I thank you and pay homage to your wisdom.

No, I do not know what 18650 means, or AA, C, D, etc for that matter. Why is there no B?

this is what I have...

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I will be getting additional batteries soon.

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Post by panzermk2 » 03 Oct 2012, 08:32

MikeSantor wrote: IMR 18650:

http://www.oveready.com/batteries-charg ... od_47.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I use this type in my Thrunite. Unlike the base version they have a chip regulator inside.

A little higher output though.

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