GOA's assessment of McCain and Obama

[Wollychop]

http://gunowners.org/pres08/mccain.htm
"However, Second Amendment expert Dave Kopel pointed out that, "the McCain-Lieberman bill is loaded with poison pills which would allow a single appointed official to prevent any gun show, anywhere in the United States from operating.""

http://gunowners.org/pres08/obama.htm
"Obama told Iowa radio listeners last year that he is a "strong believer" in the rights of hunters and sportsmen, and that homeowners should have a firearm "to protect their home and their family." But then in the next breath, he says, "It's hard for me to find a rationale for having a 17-clip semiautomatic [sic]."


Two good reads on the candidates. I have to say that even with McCain's wishy washy past and obvious pension of aligning himself with whatever chique cause happens to be popular at the moment, I would still vote for him long before Obama. Actually, I would never vote for Obama. I'll vote for McCain, not because I believe he'd be a great president that will act the way I want, but because I know for a FACT Obama would not.

[bonifayfl]

scared of the thought of having either of them in office, but I guess that's how the game is played

[EARS]

There will be no real winners this November, at least for the people of this nation. Neither choice is good.

[Wollychop]

In my opinion, even more important than the presidential election is congressional elections. If we don't fight really, really hard for the House and Senate over the next several years (and I am talking about much broader issues than gun 'control'), it won't matter who is president for the next four or eight years.

That being said, with a socialist controlled congress, it's better to have a president at least *affiliated* with a more conservative party who has integrated into his platform at least a few stances that don't give me ulcers. Sorry, I have a hard time using the term "progressive". I've observed that conservatives / libertarians tend to be quieter in discussions or public forums, while the pink t-shirt wearing psuedo commies have no issues with yelling. We need to elect officials (i.e. McCain) and then stand up and SHOW them that we are not the minority and that the loss of our vote is the loss of their job, and if they want to keep the power that they have fought and spent so much money for they had better damn well not upset us.

We just can't allow ourselves to become marginalized.

[Grantness]

im very concerned about McCain's VP choice. Its really going to be telling as far as where his loyalties lie. If he picks a pro-choicer like Ridge or Lieberman...then this race is over. Much of his conservative base will abandon him.

If you guys want a really good read try "the Obama Nation". Yep...its that book the liberal media has described as "full of lies and smears". Actually its full of facts and footnotes. If you look at their arguments, the only legitimate complaint you will find is that the author got Obama's wedding date wrong. If you ever see the liberal media get this riled up about something....you can bet its probably going to be pretty good. Think you know all the dirt on Obama? Think again. Read it, and arm yourself with knowledge.

[H2oStone]

Last week I saw a pic of Hillery, another man, and Oboma, standing in front of an American Flag with the American Anthem. Hillery and the other man had their hands over their hearts and oboma had his arms hanging by his side. How can a future president who displays no respect for our (US) flag and anthem be allowed to run for office. How can he go into another country and show such disrespect when that country plays the anthem and he wii be expected to show his respect as well and he just stands there. This man is a muslin not an american. A muslin in sheep clothes. Who ever has that pic please send it to me at [email protected] Thanks just for my rant

[Cyberfly]

Ya know, I LOVE Sirius satellite radio. I bounce between the right and left talk radio when I'm on the road just because sometimes I like to laugh at the stupidity of the left.
You know what?
The left talkies...they aren't that thrilled with Obama. In fact, listening to Alex Benet and the like, they're saying stuff like, there isn't that much difference between the two and when it comes down to the nitty-gritty, what can a president really do? Approve or veto what Congress sends to them. That's pretty much it.
Well, I called in and disagreed. I told them that the president also negotiates treaties and sets up public relations with other countries and I got an earful of how W screwed us there, but that was a side rant.
When it came down to it...they didn't see that big a difference in the two.
And THAT scared me more than anything.
Or maybe they're seeing the writing on the wall so they're trying to soothe their listeners and prepare them for Obummer's defeat?

[Grantness]

wow, if they cant tell the difference between McCain and the most liberal guy in the Senate (btw Obama #1, Biden #3) those talk-show hosts must be really freakin wacked out uber-leftist loons.

[Cyberfly]

Actually, I think what it is, the leftie talk show hosts aren't as left as Obama is. And his politics is starting to sink in and they're realizing just how bad a deal he is.
Oh, crap...what is her name? Lynn...Samuels? Sounds like she gargles with broken glass daily? The New Yorker lady with the filthy mouth? Anyway, she can't even stand Obama and she's as lefty as they come. Of course, she's a dyed in the wool Clintonite, so that's probably why. They just can't believe their icon got unseated in the race.

[Grantness]

yep, there are a lot of pissed of women out there (especially upon learning that Obama didnt even attempt to vet her).

Im glad he picked Biden. He is a walking gaff machine w/ a huge mouth and a liberal voting record stretching back some 30 years that will be questioned. Plus, Obama is supposed to be about change and "washington is broken"....well he just picked the biggest washington insider he could.

[Wollychop]

I said it before but I can't WAIT to see the ads that 527 groups are going to come up with. I think that the swift boaters will have NOTHING on what we'll see against Obama.

Im giddy in anticipation!

[moparmaniac69]

I agree that the choices this November are nothing to be proud about. I really can't believe this is the best our country has to offer for presidential candidates. That being said, my vote will likely be as it has always been for me since I could vote...a vote AGAINST someone more than a vote FOR someone. :wall:

[Wollychop]

moparmaniac, it's not the best that our country has to offer. It's the best that our country can currently get through the entrenched party based nomination system.

The Federalist papers warned about factions. Well, here's teh result. People fanatically devoted to a party as though it's a sports team or something. Toss in some party rules about the nomination process and here's what ya get.

Oh well. But I agree. Mine will be more of a vote AGAINST Obamamamma than FOR McCain. It's sad, but it's the reality of the moment.

[Wollychop]

What better place for Obama to begin his transfiguration?

[f3rr37]

Who wants to place bets on when he claims to be the Messiah? :skep:

[Grantness]

or at least equal in stature to Moses...
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Here is a great article by Karl Rove on the b.s. that Biden spewed out the other day about Obama's supposed accomplishments. Definately check it out: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/P ... 8zkrap.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Wollychop]

From the new (seriously) Children's Book:

Ever since Barack Obama was young, Hope has lived inside him. From the beaches of Hawaii to the streets of Chicago, from the jungles of Indonesia to the plains of Kenya, he has held on to Hope. Even as a boy, Barack knew he wasn't quite like anybody else, but through his journeys he found the ability to listen to Hope and become what he was meant to be: a bridge to bring people together.


This is the moving story of an exceptional man, as told by Nikki Grimes and illustrated by Bryan Collier, both winners of the Coretta Scott King Award. Barack Obama has motivated Americans to believe with him, to believe that every one of us has the power to change ourselves and change our world.

http://www.amazon.com/Barack-Obama-Prom ... 1416971440" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Every feel the need to really, really, really throw up??

[jmz5]

I think I am going to be sick. :vomit:

[f3rr37]

[Wollychop]

You start by brainwashing the children about the greatness of the leader. Then you come up with gestures and secret signs, meant to spread and show you are part of the club.

"We thought, 'Let's try and start a movement where even while walking down the street, people would hold up the O and you would know that they were for Obama,' " says Husong. Much thought went into the relatively simple idea. "You interlace your hands in a circle, the interlacing being a symbol of different types of people coming together and the circle a symbol of unity," he says. ...


"We want to see it everywhere, but more importantly we want this sign to take the world by storm."

One Nation, Under a New Obama Salute U.S. News and World Report's "Washington Whispers". August 7, 2008.

[moparmaniac69]

Since NObama is proclaimed to be a gift from on high, why doesn't he go down to the gulf coast and stop Hurricane Gustav in it's track. He should be able to prevent President Bush from sending another Hurrricane to New Orleans even though he isn't elected yet.

[Grantness]

You just watch....the leftist media is going to use this storm to preempt coverage of the RNC. Sure it will deserve coverage, but ill tell u right now...they will make sure this convention gets nowhere near the kind of hype the DNC got and use this hurricane as an excuse. Plus, they will attempt to draw parrallels between it and katrina every chance they get, even if the new republican governor does the job right this time.

[Wollychop]

I think you have it right Grantness. At this point, I think delaying the convention would be a smart move.

Obama did say that his candidacy would mark a point at which the seas would cease to rise. Maybe he just needs to head down there in order to still the waters.

[eagleshotz]

Obama seems like he wants to make things seem better for everyone. But at what cause does his "change" come? What personal freedoms will the american people have to surrender to live better? To hell with obama and his dressed-up form of communism! Anyone who votes for obama is a fool! :wall: Mcain is a war-mongering sh*& bag that will remove even more of our freedom to "protect" us from the terrorists lurking behind every tree, while getting us involved in more needless conflicts around the globe. Spare yourself the guilt of electing either of them. Write in MRSLIPPYFIST! :thumb: