New White House Urban Policy

[f3rr37]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.

[Esteves]

Zero change from the same agenda item that was posted on change.gov and on his campaign site.

[f3rr37]

But now it is really official

[Wollychop]

making guns in this country childproof

I still wonder what exactly this means. Not that you can pin down most of what they have said, but still, I find it curious.

[MrSlippyFist]

Now the whole nation can be like PRK!

[ChuckD]

Childproof.....like lighters? or pill bottle caps?

Oddly enough, children open these things better than adults!

[Esteves]

Short version:
Backdoor gun registration.
"No Buy" lists based on unknown criteria.
Microstamping.
Mandatory smart guns.
Frontdoor owner registration/licensing.
No private party sales.
Mandatory "safety" devices and storage.
No scary-looking guns or innovative guns.

[Esteves]

So, what's the cutoff for "childproof"?
18? 21?
In either case, it's essentially the same as "adultproof."

[Llagoud]

So if I just move out of the city it's all cool, right?

[Wollychop]

I hereby establish the Republic of Wolly.

I nominate myself for President.

I accept.

Thank you!

Now I can own whatever I want.

[ChuckD]

......can I become a citizen of the Republic of Wolly?

[MrSlippyFist]

I would like to be minister of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Poon-tang. The Firearms part is going to need their own minister and it shouldn't be me. I nominate MO.

[Llagoud]

sweet. Is there room for a satelite nation or two?



http://www.theospark.net/2008/12/dear-a ... ocial.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Dear American Liberals, leftists, social progressives, Socialists, Marxists, Obama supporters etal;

We have stuck together since the late 1950's, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has run its course. Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right, so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can smile, slate it up to irreconcilable differences, and go our own ways.

Here is a model dissolution agreement:

Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes. We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU.
Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA, and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore, and Rosie O'Donnell (you are however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move them).

We'll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart, and Wall Street. You can have your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies, and illegal aliens. We'll keep the hot Alaskan Hockey Moms, greedy CEO's, and Rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood.

You can make nice with Iran, Palestine, and France, and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us. You can have the peaceniks and war protestors. When our allies or way of life are under assault, we'll provide them job security.

We'll keep our Judeo-Christian Values. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, and Shirley McClain. You can have the U.N. but we will no longer be paying the bill. We'll keep the SUV's, pickup trucks, and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru Station Wagon you can find.

You can give everyone healthcare, if you can find any practicing Doctors (that is practicing, Howard Dean) who will follow to your turf (sic). We'll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right.

We'll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and The National Anthem. I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute Imagine, I'd Like to Teach The World To Sing, Kum Ba Ya, or We Are the World.

We'll practice trickle down economics, and you can give trickle up poverty its best shot.

Since it often so offends you we'll keep our History, our Name, and our Flag.
Would you agree to this?

[Esteves]

Go Theo!

[User42]

Does the childproofing of all guns involve making sure none of them have ammo? Oh that and putting heavy ones in some sort of foam coating, so they can't be used as clubs.

[Wollychop]

You can have ammo, it just can't be able to kill anything. Duh.

[Buffman]

I'd be willing to bet $20 nothing happens for maybe at least 1-2yrs. Hey may be "black", but he's a politician just like the rest. We all know they lie out of their teeth 24/7.
Most of them that were in office the first time around (When did Obama even become a Senator?) when the first AWB came around what happened to their positions.

[ChuckD]

But heres the thing Buffman,
Politicians don't care as long as their agenda is the one being passed
Most believe strongly enough that if they lose their job to get it passed, then well, it was worth it

[Sniperjoe]

i mean im not guna lie im a bit scared about what could possibly happen but in reality i really dont see many of these "common sense gun laws" passing. even if they do try to make up new bills how many of them will even make it to senate, let alone our dear leader? And as Buffman said, they know what happend the last time they voted for an AWB, i dont see them being that stupid a second time. Not to say we should keep our gaurd down at all, in fact we should do the exact opposite, we should show them just how powerful we are, just to make sure they all stay in check. I just dont think we should get all that worried about it. Anyway, thats just my opinion

[Wollychop]

We'll see. We'll also just see how much he likes to flex the power of executive orders.

[Grantness]

Most politicians want to stay in power. They dont stand for anything except what they believe to be most popular at the momment.

[Sniperjoe]

Most politicians want to stay in power. They dont stand for anything except what they believe to be most popular at the momment.

exactly, and the great majority of this country is pro gun, hell even alot of the NY liberals i know are pro gun :laugh:

[Grantness]

my guess is that he will wait until the economy is not on everyone's mind 24/7 and after he has installed at least one supreme court justice.

[MrSlippyFist]

exactly, and the great majority of this country is pro gun

I don't know about that. You'd be surprised how many idiots there are that say they defend the second but elect officials that are hell-bent on stripping those rights. Just look at all the pro-0bama people over at calguns.

[Cyberfly]

It's the whole 'common sense' gun laws that gets me.
Common sense to me and common sense to them just don't mesh.
They don't see the 2A as a right. They see it as a priveledge. I wonder if they were to see their other rights treated as a priveledge if they would suddenly change their minds?

[tejohnson]

Most politicians want to stay in power. They dont stand for anything except what they believe to be most popular at the momment.

I suppose that is the good side, and the bad side of a well connected Democracy (mail, fax, phone, web, etc.) and a pissload of special interest groups.

What I fail to understand is the argument about supreme court justices even hearing such a case again. It would have to be a different scenario, and if it were up to the anti-gun crowd, could lead to the erosion of rights in some way. I will be curious to see more case law build up based on the outcome of the Heller decision.

To the claim above regarding "popular at the moment", I also fail to understand how the supreme court could interpret the 2A any differently since a ruling was made in Heller. It is not like the words of the 2A has changed since it was written, only our society has. It will always be a battle over popular opinion, regardless to what common sense really is.

Perhaps some idiots think my PS-90 is going to hop out it's case, steal my truck, and go on a rampage down town...

[Grantness]

I wonder if they were to see their other rights treated as a priveledge if they would suddenly change their minds?

"Where are you headed today, sir?"
"Oh, Im just going to church."
"Do you have a permit to attend that church?"
"What?"
"You need to go down to the sheriffs office and fill out a form, pay a $5 fee, and wait three days for a background check...then the sheriff will decide if you can go....and God help you if he finds out that church was established after 1986!"

See how absurd that sounds?

[gotants]

Brady "gotants" Mitchell

Commissioner of the Department of Agricultural and Consumer Services

Republic of Wolly


Basically, I would handle all the licensing, regulation, and anything else not handled by the RoW/BATF.

[Cyberfly]

Wait...a PERMANENT ban of assault weapons?
So, how permanent would that ban be? If we got MO elected, could he overturn that permanent ban with an executive order? Could future legislation do away with a permanent ban?
Suddenly there is NO hope in this change. But somehow I already knew that. As did everybody else who saw it coming and drove the price of assault weapons through the roof.

[Wollychop]

Funny story I meant to share yesterday. Our offices were being treated by pest control and the ol guy who came in was pretty nice and very chatty. He was wearing an NRA hat so I made a comment about how it was nice to see that.

He was spraying my office and was saying "well, y'all got a new commander in chief now..." This guy had some crests pinned in his hat so I assume he is retired. I smiled, but didn't really say anything since we have to be pretty careful at work, especially with some of the contractors we have.

Well, he goes on and says, "I voted for him, don't know what the hell I was thinking." He shook his head and gave a sort of "I'm sorry" shrug. I told him he's probably not alone with that sentiment.

I thought it was pretty telling!

[Buffman]

We'll see. We'll also just see how much he likes to flex the power of executive orders.

Those can only be used to further expand a current law, not to make new. Supreme Court Ruled on that many years ago....

[Hound7]

Have to chuckle when I see people trying to make sense of the left wing agenda. These are the people that accept Global Warming as hard fact, then continue flying everywhere in private jets (in Obama's case an all but empty 747) and cummuting by stretch limousine and Suburban motorcades. All brought to you by Al Gore, long time close family friend and beneficiary of Armand Hammer.

Obama's Inaugural celebration saw twice the number of private jets as for Bush's Inauguration. http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2009/01/20/ ... vate-jets/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A little about Hammer: http://www.multinationalmonitor.org/hyp ... /gold.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Then look up the family ties and dealings--the net has abundant resources.

So, don't try too hard to make rational assessments of Liberal policy. Just makes your head hurt :monkey:

[Wollychop]

We'll see. We'll also just see how much he likes to flex the power of executive orders.

Those can only be used to further expand a current law, not to make new. Supreme Court Ruled on that many years ago....

There are plenty of existing laws regarding firearms, such as the NFA, which could be expanded upon.

[Buffman]

^^^^

Possible, but there would be a certain point in his "expanding" that would make them new laws rather than an extension of current (example trying to ban evil black rifles under the 1986 ban of full autos). Who knows...

[Grantness]

Anyone hear the media criticize Obama for spending ~$150 million on his inauguration? Nope, I didnt think so....
Now read this: http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Inauguration/story?id=426152" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; & this: http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature ... auguration" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; & this: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/31/polit ... ner=rssnyt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Then this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ja ... ation-cost" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Imagine that, had to go to the UK press to hear this story.