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Forum business model

Post by burdy » 28 Jul 2010, 17:03

Guys I love the forum. Read alot, post a little. I own some EA S5's and am going to order more. Love them. I gotta say the business model of this forum should be given a second look. We dont have alot of action at all for the amount of members. Charging for things that most forums give away for free has to be at least some of the problem. If making money off the site is your thing, WONDERFUL, but I think getting steady action, which would in turn demand a greater advertising price is by far the better way to do it. A friend and I started a website on May 15, 2010. A forum such as this, on a topic, similar to this. I would post the link (its not conflicting at all) if I knew it was ok. 2 1/2 months later, today, we have 2321 members with a users "online at once" count in the 150+ every night. The place is buzzing all the time. This is the best five-seven forum there is on the web. Period. But it could be soooo much more, and I would love to see it that way. To the powers that be, at least give it a thought, thats all I ask.

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Re: FsN Grip Mech Tutorial Video

Post by burdy » 28 Jul 2010, 17:22

satellitedr3ams wrote:I think.... you should pay.... then post this. :thumb:
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Re: Forum business model

Post by f3rr37 » 28 Jul 2010, 17:38

Sat... seriously, not appropriate. He's providing input for the forum, which I take pretty seriously, and appreciate immensely.

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Re: Forum business model

Post by jmz5 » 28 Jul 2010, 17:58

It always has and always will be free to participate here. The special features for those who wish to donate is just a thank you.

Thanks for your input though, I appreciate it
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Re: Forum business model

Post by blueorison » 28 Jul 2010, 18:04

Burdy, could you be more specific? What do you opine the forum "give out for free"?

Are you speaking on the information that EA and it's staff spent thousands of dollars experimenting upon to discover; industry secrets? These are hardly ever even whispered about to the public, yet EA HAS given many tidbits of information out to the public over the public forum.

What is this "business model" to which you refer? The site owner needs the money to run the site, to my understanding, it's that simple. Please understand I am in no way attacking your post at all, in fact, I am very interested in what resources you think the "site" should be giving out for free but right now is "charging" people to have?

There is obviously a section limited to paid members, AS IS WITH many forums. What information do you think is there? Some industry secret stuff? There really isn't much secret, you can PM any of the people that actually support the site financially and they'll tell you that. If you need to discuss an EA item, you can directly PM EA.

Sure there is some information on the paid member's section that involves more pictures and such, but do you think $10 measly bucks is too much to pay for such valid information sans any "resources" mentioned?

I am a college kid, and as such, I save my money virtually 25/7 to pay for EA's ammunition and the PRIVILEGE of being a paid member on the (you're right) best FN forum. I also save to pay for the FsN I own and to shoot it.

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Re: Re: FsN Grip Mech Tutorial Video

Post by burdy » 28 Jul 2010, 18:48

satellitedr3ams wrote:you have been here for a month and you cryin about having to pay??

6 months.
Not crying.
Dont have to pay.

In all seriousness. My post was actually a reply in another thread, the admin split it and moved it here. I definitely dont want this to turn where it is already headed. Im making a suggestion, thats all. This is not about money. Im going to make a donation right now to prove so.
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Re: Forum business model

Post by LK45s » 28 Jul 2010, 18:52

I personally don't like sifting through hundreds of post to find good information, like on some forums.
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Re: Forum business model

Post by burdy » 28 Jul 2010, 18:58

Donation Sent.

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Re: Forum business model

Post by RaYhoLio » 28 Jul 2010, 20:21

I think it's BS that I had to pay to get a friggin signature.. LOL

In all seriousness.. Burdy is absolutely right... This forum seems to be more of a 'closed forum' or club than an 'open forum'.. with my 1st post, I was told to research posts allready existing on the forum... posts which it turned out I didn't have access to. I was often talked down to, and constantly reminded that paid members have special rights... such as posting for sale items as your 2nd post, or putting a web site in your profile (yes.. I was told that having a web site in my profile was 'advertizing' and that if I was a gold memeber, or paid sponsor, I could get by with it..) That's not cool... Making your new members feel like outsiders. just as you're doing to burdy in this very thread.

I often wonder what the modivation is behind the forums existance... some times I think it's owned by the same people who own EA as a marketing and currency generation venture. With paid memberships, and very tight core of members.. (so tight that they make everyone new feel like outsiders) This forum is not very inviting to would-be 5.7 lovers.. just my 2 cents.

I appriciate the board which is why I donated.... I expect to use the extensive reloading data this winter...

but for those who have not paid.. You're not missing much. The forums I gained access to are nothing to write home about.. And what's a signature worth anyhow? 20 bucks? LOL Unless you're a reloader, or aspiring to be.... there may not be much here for you.
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Re: Forum business model

Post by blueorison » 28 Jul 2010, 21:18

Ray, I have restrained from replying to many of the threads you comment and start, so as not to start unnecessary conflict. As such, I feel that the way you conduct yourself around this forum is in a way that does not befit how I suspect the more rational side of you would wish to portray your ego or self.

You're completely off base on this post.

"I think it's BS that I had to pay to get a friggin signature.. LOL"

Obviously, you don't get it AT ALL. 0.0000000 percent. You don't HAVE to pay. Did you not read the posts above yours? No one makes you. Secondly, you DON'T pay for a SIGNATURE. How you even came to this conclusion is absurd. Please read the FORUM RULES and perhaps you will come to the realization of the truth between PRIVILEGE and a RIGHT.

This forum is PRIVATELY OWNED, and as such, the owner has no obligation to freely give you PRIVILEGES like a signature. The site costs money to maintain, apparently you also fail to realize this. The money we volunteer to maintain the website isn't going to support someone's 401k, it's going straight towards the forum which YOU BENEFIT FROM.

Yet, you simply reserve your tone of whining and trash talking the forum. Unbelievable.

You must believe this is a free government handout zone. It isn't so. This is private property and you are blessed to even be here and not banned for breaking the rules (which you have). If you don't believe in rules, then you always have the freedom to leave.

" Burdy is absolutely right... This forum seems to be more of a 'closed forum' or club than an 'open forum'.. "

" I was often talked down to, and constantly reminded that paid members have special rights... such as posting for sale items as your 2nd post, or putting a web site in your profile "

Paid members have special rights. Just like our society, people who pay taxes are real citizens and have RIGHTS. You come in, act the fool, and EXPECT PEOPLE TO RESPECT YOU AND BE COURTEOUS TO YOU?

Holy crap, you must belong to a certain ethnic background.

"I often wonder what the modivation is behind the forums existance... some times I think it's owned by the same people who own EA as a marketing and currency generation venture. With paid memberships, and very tight core of members.. (so tight that they make everyone new feel like outsiders) This forum is not very inviting to would-be 5.7 lovers.. just my 2 cents.
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The MOTIVATION is to enrich our FsN community. To do that, we must enrich each other and the board. To do that we need to act like members of the society and not try to get stuff for free (stealing?) like FREE AD SPACE TO POST YOUR SALES. That's NOT FREE. The owner of the site pays for this ad space in the classifieds, if you want free ads, go to craigslist.

Ray, I do admit I have been at fault at times for posting "Use the search function" phrases to new members in a way that was NOT beneficial to our forum. Fuzzy has CORRECTED ME on this on separate accounts and REPRIMANDED me. I have learned from this and realized that I was in error and will refrain from acting like such a moron in the future.

However when a new member comes in and breaks rules and expects to be treated and given free stuff, this reminds me of the dredges of society asking for free handouts thinking that society OWES THEM SOMETHING. Which they don't. I don't think you equate yourself with this faction, so neither should we have to equate you to such.

"I appriciate the board which is why I donated.... I expect to use the extensive reloading data this winter..."

From your statements and actions on the board, it seems like you're one of those that "donate" not to "donate" but to pay so you can get out what you can. This isn't what donating means. Donating means you're giving money to a cause without EXPECTING A RETURN.

That's the true definition of a donation.

"The forums I gained access to are nothing to write home about.. And what's a signature worth anyhow? 20 bucks? LOL "

You're right. Nothing to write home about. Yet valuable reloading information NOT AVAILABLE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD is housed in the paid forums, tutorials on detailed platform modifications, ammunition testing data, etc. is available.

Apparently you don't know how to value data. And once again, you show that you think that this is a right once you "donate" financial media.

It ISN'T a right. It never has been. It always was a PRIVILEGE. Paid members did not have to have a special forum. It was just something the admins thought would be nice. A privilege.

I didn't send my 25$ in last year because I wanted more PRIVILEGES. I did so because I benefited greatly from the information on the PUBLIC FORUM.

I hope you realize how incorrect you are. Somehow, however, I doubt it as you are too thick in your mindset.

Sigh. Perhaps, yet again, I have to read my signature and realize the truth.
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Re: Forum business model

Post by RaYhoLio » 28 Jul 2010, 22:09

blueorison wrote: "I think it's BS that I had to pay to get a friggin signature.. LOL"

Obviously, you don't get it AT ALL. 0.0000000 percent. You don't HAVE to pay. Did you not read the posts above yours? No one makes you. Secondly, you DON'T pay for a SIGNATURE. How you even came to this conclusion is absurd. Please read the FORUM RULES and perhaps you will come to the realization of the truth between PRIVILEGE and a RIGHT.
Well.... if you want a signature you HAVE to pay. maybe that's not what YOU are paying for... but me... I REALLY wanted to not have to type out my long, and intellectual signature.. it's really important to convey the image that I want others to see... That and my avatar... I also paid for that privilage too :) You like my avatar? Awesome huh?

blueorison wrote:You must believe this is a free government handout zone. It isn't so. This is private property and you are blessed to even be here and not banned for breaking the rules (which you have). If you don't believe in rules, then you always have the freedom to leave.
How great could this board REALLY be? This is the only board in the civilized world to not have socialized signatures and avatars! For cryin' out loud! We should be taking care of our children and seniors! you racist.
blueorison wrote:Paid members have special rights. Just like our society, people who pay taxes are real citizens and have RIGHTS. You come in, act the fool, and EXPECT PEOPLE TO RESPECT YOU AND BE COURTEOUS TO YOU?
Yeah... I also expect a free education on 5.7 loads even though I don't pay... and if I create a new account, it should AUTOMATICALLY be gold, and have all of the privilages and rights of a life-long gold member!
blueorison wrote:Holy crap, you must belong to a certain ethnic background.
LOL Sorry... couldn't come up with anything for that one... calling you a 'racist' is too obvious.

blueorison wrote:The MOTIVATION is to enrich our FsN community. To do that, we must enrich each other and the board. To do that we need to act like members of the society and not try to get stuff for free (stealing?) like FREE AD SPACE TO POST YOUR SALES. That's NOT FREE. The owner of the site pays for this ad space in the classifieds, if you want free ads, go to craigslist.
If the modivation is to enrich the community (I guess that means grow it? or just make it better?) then why charge? I mean.. you're selling this as a public service.. but I know what it costs to run a web page.... NOT that much.
blueorison wrote:From your statements and actions on the board, it seems like you're one of those that "donate" not to "donate" but to pay so you can get out what you can. This isn't what donating means. Donating means you're giving money to a cause without EXPECTING A RETURN.
the membership policy isn't designed to garner 'donations' if it was, it wouldn't offer a service, and product in return.. (extra privilages, a signature, new message boards, and an avatar.. + discounts from vendors).. These are not things that the red cross offers with every 'donation' These are things walmart would 'sell' if they could.

The truth? I honestly wouldn't have donated to this board if it wasn't so useful.. As in "full of use." Yes.. I considered it a purchase.. I don't consider it worthy of a true 'donation'.. It just doesn't tug at the heart strings in that way.. This is not a 'good cause' especially with the members rudeness twards new-comers. which is COUNTER productive twards your stated goal.. 'to enrich the FsN community'... Oh... I got your quote wrong... It's actually To "enrich OUR FsN community" Well... THAT I believe.

blueorison wrote:You're right. Nothing to write home about. Yet valuable reloading information NOT AVAILABLE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD is housed in the paid forums, tutorials on detailed platform modifications, ammunition testing data, etc. is available.
Yes worth $25 to me.. :) I could have paid $10... but then I wouldn't have gotten to use my AWESOME avatar... You see it right?
blueorison wrote:Apparently you don't know how to value data. And once again, you show that you think that this is a right once you "donate" financial media.

It ISN'T a right. It never has been. It always was a PRIVILEGE. Paid members did not have to have a special forum. It was just something the admins thought would be nice. A privilege.
One minute you tell me that I didn't donate because I'm just here for the info.... the next you tell me that the info is valuable... Then you tell me the forum exists to enrich the FsN community, next thing I know the admins are adding privilages for paid members.... What is it? A service? a charity? a privilage? a club? what?
blueorison wrote:I didn't send my 25$ in last year because I wanted more PRIVILEGES. I did so because I benefited greatly from the information on the PUBLIC FORUM..
Hey.. forgot to mention how great that avatar is that you have there.. SHARP! ;)
blueorison wrote: I hope you realize how incorrect you are. Somehow, however, I doubt it as you are too thick in your mindset.

Sigh. Perhaps, yet again, I have to read my signature and realize the truth.
Yeah.... That's a REALLY nice signature... how much was that again??
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Re: Forum business model

Post by f3rr37 » 28 Jul 2010, 22:17

This is completely out of control. The way some of you have conducted yourselves in this thread is unacceptable in my book. burdy came with suggestions on how to improve the forum, and you guys turn around and do nothing but bash him. Grow the hell up, grow a pair, and learn a little respect, seriously, this is completely uncalled for.

If you want to go tear into somebody, go visit ARFCOM and join that crowd, I don't want to see any more of that crap around here. If I see any more of this garbage, I'll start handing out bans, it doesn't matter if you're a mod, sponsor, gold/silver member, long time member, or a new member.

I don't want to get any PMs saying that you're sorry and trying to kiss ass, not going to work, and I don't care if you're sorry. This has GOT to stop.

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Re: Forum business model

Post by jmz5 » 29 Jul 2010, 03:06

Come on guys, this is totally unacceptable. It seems like I have to say this more and more often. :(
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