Traded up and went to the 10mm, your thoughts?

SeaHawkDriver-B · Post by **SeaHawkDriver-B** » 13 Nov 2009, 12:27

No i didn't trade my FiveseveN in, duhhh! I traded my glock 31 (.357sig full frame) for TWO Glock 10mm's. I picked up the Glock20C (full size) and its little brother the Glock29 (small frame). The 21C has a standard 15rd capacity that can be adapted for +2 carry, and the 29 holds 10 rounds with the same modability.

For a long time I've always debated which semi-auto caliber is best all-around.

You can make the argument for lots of rounds for lots of different reasons, but after studying many many ballistics table, it seems as though the 10mm always packed a few more foot pounds of energy over .40/.357/9mm. It ran about dead even with the .45, but you can carry considerably more rounds with the 10mm... I tend to think of the 10mm as a ".40s&w magnum", if that makes any sense.

Are there any other 10mm fans in here besides me? I ditched one of the flattest-shooting "hottest" rounds out there, the .357 sig, in favor of a heavier bullet with just slightly more energy. I hope I made the right decision. Ammo availability and price between the 10mm and .357 sig seems identical, both crappy.

romer522 · Post by **romer522** » 13 Nov 2009, 12:33

There's a lot of 10mm love on this forum :thumb: , and word on the street is that EA will be doing a run of 10mm soon.

Post by **f3rr37** » 13 Nov 2009, 12:42

SeaHawkDriver-B wrote:I tend to think of the 10mm as a ".40s&w magnum", if that makes any sense.

No, doesn't make sense... you should look at it as the .40Small&Weak, as it was derived from the 10mm :p

Lots of 10mm fans here.

Post by **panzermk2** » 13 Nov 2009, 12:58

What it is 41mag in an auto. I have been a 10mm fan since the start and the 10mm based BOZ PDW round in what got me into the 5.7.

Zhurdan · Post by **Zhurdan** » 13 Nov 2009, 13:21

I'm not particularly fond of the 10mm simply due to relative inavailability and expense of rounds. (this coming from a .357Sig fan... yeah, I know... I'm silly). Being a straight wall case, I probably should have got into reloading for it, but I opted to go with the .357Sig, even though I don't reload it (bottleneck pistol rounds are a pain IMO). It's the same reason I save my 5.7 brass and trade it out to a buddy of mine who lets me run his UZI and M4 on Sunday-Funday at the range.

Also, I think the mighty 10 has a bit too much bite for most folks. Now, if you get it where you can control it, awesome. It's definately got some 'poop' behind it.

flyingirish04 · Post by **flyingirish04** » 13 Nov 2009, 14:33

I own a 29, and love it. YOu have a 10 head here.

Post by **Cyberfly** » 13 Nov 2009, 15:11

Count me in. I've been a 10 Fan since...well...forever. In fact, my latest is coming in early next week. Can hardly wait to take her out back and prevent that old water heater from advancing on the house any further!

Post by **Rapier1772** » 13 Nov 2009, 16:56

Only shot a 10mm once & now I am looking to buy one

Just wish I could find a few to try... :wall:

gw45acp · Post by **gw45acp** » 13 Nov 2009, 20:35

I've shot both the Glock and the EAA in 10mm. Loved them both. I still shoot 45acp and 40S&W because they cost a lot less to feed than 10mm and there is plenty of range pick up brass available.

SeaHawkDriver-B · Post by **SeaHawkDriver-B** » 13 Nov 2009, 21:23

How does one "get into" reloading? How expensive is it to get started doing my own brass and handloads?

Post by **Rapier1772** » 13 Nov 2009, 21:38

SeaHawkDriver-B wrote:How does one "get into" reloading? How expensive is it to get started doing my own brass and handloads?

Pretty sure that has been covered elsewhere. Check wiki & the reloading forum viewforum.php?f=19" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. There is a list of equipment both required & suggested, some of it even has pricing.
Put simply, its is expensive to start up & is really only worth it if you plan on doing it long term.

LK45s · Post by **LK45s** » 13 Nov 2009, 21:52

Would you happen to have a friend that reloads? That way you would have some idea of the parts and the process required.

SeaHawkDriver-B · Post by **SeaHawkDriver-B** » 13 Nov 2009, 22:03

Is that the guy from Tremors on your avatar? Still love that movie and the elephant gun scene :guns:

LK45s · Post by **LK45s** » 13 Nov 2009, 22:25

Yep. Burt Gummer's the name.

:guns:s the game.

Llagoud · Post by **Llagoud** » 14 Nov 2009, 03:22

SeaHawkDriver-B wrote:How does one "get into" reloading? How expensive is it to get started doing my own brass and handloads?

I started loading/reloading after joining this forum. Very helpful people here.

Lots of 10mm lovers here at fivesevenforum.
I have the Glock 20 with several conversion barrels and the Dan Wesson RZ10.

laztat · Post by **laztat** » 14 Nov 2009, 19:06

I'm hoping to own a 10mm pistol one day...

carlosrod · Post by **carlosrod** » 14 Nov 2009, 20:38

Double tap ammo in 10mm. thats all you need to know. When I take my son out with his 30-30. I have a kimber in10mm on one side and a 5.7 on the other, what more do we need.

Rover · Post by **Rover** » 15 Nov 2009, 23:02

My carry pistol is a 29 and I have a 20 for camping and roaming around the desert. I love the round.

DLL57 · Post by **DLL57** » 24 Nov 2009, 18:05

Congrats! I love my Glock 29. I have only put approx 500rds through it(mostly Double Tap) It is the most accurate Glock that I have owned/fired.

556Stealth · Post by **556Stealth** » 07 Jan 2010, 00:10

SeaHawkDriver-B wrote:No i didn't trade my FiveseveN in, duhhh! I traded my glock 31 (.357sig full frame) for TWO Glock 10mm's. I picked up the Glock20C (full size) and its little brother the Glock29 (small frame). The 21C has a standard 15rd capacity that can be adapted for +2 carry, and the 29 holds 10 rounds with the same modability.

For a long time I've always debated which semi-auto caliber is best all-around.

You can make the argument for lots of rounds for lots of different reasons, but after studying many many ballistics table, it seems as though the 10mm always packed a few more foot pounds of energy over .40/.357/9mm. It ran about dead even with the .45, but you can carry considerably more rounds with the 10mm... I tend to think of the 10mm as a ".40s&w magnum", if that makes any sense.

Are there any other 10mm fans in here besides me? I ditched one of the flattest-shooting "hottest" rounds out there, the .357 sig, in favor of a heavier bullet with just slightly more energy. I hope I made the right decision. Ammo availability and price between the 10mm and .357 sig seems identical, both crappy.

Lots more 357 SIG availability. There aren't any factory-loaded 10mm rounds I am aware of that are easy to find that aren't watered down.

fatherfoof · Post by **fatherfoof** » 07 Jan 2010, 00:34

Probably good. 10mm full power best LE round ever. I would suggest also the GL 33 as a pocket pistol in the 357 you traded. DeSantis Nemisis and you don't know it's in your pocket. i have a handful of Glocks (including 20 ist gen made in Austria,29 and 33 as well as others) and I have 357sig and 10mm in others. 10 wins each time but only the Glock 33 conceals, and it's 357. Went to all the armorer classes and all GLs are great. 10 is same as 41 mag, and 357Sig a bit down from 357Mag. In the lab, on gel, both will do the magic--real life however, tells me don't trust the gel. Save and buy the additional Glock. Hey, as an aside, you guys in the miltary see the 40% off on Smiths? My kid, an army doctor just got in on this. They are offering a 40% off thank you for serving America. See your company clerk for paperwork.

Post by **panzermk2** » 08 Jan 2010, 21:50

556Stealth wrote:
SeaHawkDriver-B wrote:No i didn't trade my FiveseveN in, duhhh! I traded my glock 31 (.357sig full frame) for TWO Glock 10mm's. I picked up the Glock20C (full size) and its little brother the Glock29 (small frame). The 21C has a standard 15rd capacity that can be adapted for +2 carry, and the 29 holds 10 rounds with the same modability.

For a long time I've always debated which semi-auto caliber is best all-around.

You can make the argument for lots of rounds for lots of different reasons, but after studying many many ballistics table, it seems as though the 10mm always packed a few more foot pounds of energy over .40/.357/9mm. It ran about dead even with the .45, but you can carry considerably more rounds with the 10mm... I tend to think of the 10mm as a ".40s&w magnum", if that makes any sense.

Are there any other 10mm fans in here besides me? I ditched one of the flattest-shooting "hottest" rounds out there, the .357 sig, in favor of a heavier bullet with just slightly more energy. I hope I made the right decision. Ammo availability and price between the 10mm and .357 sig seems identical, both crappy.
Lots more 357 SIG availability. There aren't any factory-loaded 10mm rounds I am aware of that are easy to find that aren't watered down.

Banned and wrong
EA 10mm 175gr. WSTHP 5.0 inch barrel 1320fps.

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User42 · Post by **User42** » 11 Jan 2010, 01:44

Ummm, you considering yourself a factory now? I think he was referring to things you can buy in the stores, not dissing EA loads.

karbuv · Post by **karbuv** » 11 Jan 2010, 10:15

Just a perspective here, not trying to be mean, contary, devisive or such:
It's not out of the question to call Elite a factory. With the increased online sales and reduced ammo on shelves, suppliers of ammo and related services like Elite are specifically the new micro factories. Factories like Elite are small, quick and alert to the needs of the marketplace, particularly in niche markets like the 5.7, 10mm, and specialized loads for "regular" cals.
The major factories do not have significant advantages over the micro factories like they once did in quality control, variety, quick production, delivery, custom loadings and american made in USA. In fact, regarding "made in USA", much of the ammo on shelves isn't what we assume it is, including made in the USA. For instance, the big names like Winchester and Remington and on and on make lots of ammo outside of the USA that is sold here.

I love the 10mm, particularly with the Zahal recoil reduction system (triple recoil spring and guide rod), Bar-sto barrel, ZT competition spring kit and extended levers, releases and such. The Zahal recoil reduction system makes the 10mm recoil just about the same as a 9mm. If you are wanting to reduce the recoil of the 10mm Glock, this is your answer at a reasonable price. Here is the link to the Zahal recoil reduction system http://www.zahal.org/rifle/DPM03.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Captan Harold D · Post by **Captan Harold D** » 11 Jan 2010, 11:29

Karbuv, I didn't notice the Glock 29 on the site that you referred to. The 29 is the compact 10mm isn't it?

karbuv · Post by **karbuv** » 11 Jan 2010, 19:09

Captan Harold D wrote:Karbuv, I didn't notice the Glock 29 on the site that you referred to. The 29 is the compact 10mm isn't it?

It is not listed on the drop down or in the add text so it must not be offered. My Glock is a 20SF. The G29 is the "10mm Glock compact" and is about an inch or 7/8 shorter in length and barrel length. Just guessing here, perhaps the G29 has a shorter guide rod that is too short for their design. I also have one on a G23 and it is a nice improvement also.

The Zahal forward potato grip and folding AR15 pistol grip are unique products that work for me. The potato grip is very comfortable like the new Magpul grip and seems to help that instinct to point and shoot a rifle that many of us have. The folding pistol grip allows an AR10 or AR15 height to be reduced by 2 inches so they can go in a smaller area, be fitted more firmly with contact over more of the rifle and be carried better with less movement in a scabbard.

SGT_Calle · Post by **SGT_Calle** » 31 Jan 2010, 07:49

Cyberfly wrote:Can hardly wait to take her out back and prevent that old water heater from advancing on the house any further!

That nearly made me fall out of my chair laughing! :lmao:

I'd like to get a 10mm but there's about a dozen other guns ahead of it on the wish list.

Calle

Post by **Cyberfly** » 31 Jan 2010, 18:07

You should have seen us when we went FA on it!
That poor old water heater was stopped dead in its tracks. Poor thing never stood a chance.

LK45s · Post by **LK45s** » 31 Jan 2010, 18:20

Rust and glass every where. :lmao:

LK45s · Post by **LK45s** » 09 Apr 2011, 20:28

I didn't want to start another 10mm thread sooo.
I saw on the ar15armory that Dan Wesson's 2011 product catalog, support/downloads tab, lists an Elite series 1911 called the Titan. The description says it has a 21 round magazine. I don't recall seeing this here yet. If so just forget I posted it. :p In the price list , another download, it has the dreaded "TBA" for the price.

CZ-USA_2011_Product_Catalog.pdf (not a linky)

SHEEPDOG · Post by **SHEEPDOG** » 09 Apr 2011, 20:36

carlosrod wrote:Double tap ammo in 10mm. thats all you need to know. When I take my son out with his 30-30. I have a kimber in10mm on one side and a 5.7 on the other, what more do we need.

Double Tap uses false info on their ammo. Get some of Jay's EA ammo if you want real 10mm. :clap:

SHEEPDOG · Post by **SHEEPDOG** » 09 Apr 2011, 20:47

panzermk2 wrote:
556Stealth wrote:
SeaHawkDriver-B wrote:No i didn't trade my FiveseveN in, duhhh! I traded my glock 31 (.357sig full frame) for TWO Glock 10mm's. I picked up the Glock20C (full size) and its little brother the Glock29 (small frame). The 21C has a standard 15rd capacity that can be adapted for +2 carry, and the 29 holds 10 rounds with the same modability.

For a long time I've always debated which semi-auto caliber is best all-around.

You can make the argument for lots of rounds for lots of different reasons, but after studying many many ballistics table, it seems as though the 10mm always packed a few more foot pounds of energy over .40/.357/9mm. It ran about dead even with the .45, but you can carry considerably more rounds with the 10mm... I tend to think of the 10mm as a ".40s&w magnum", if that makes any sense.

Are there any other 10mm fans in here besides me? I ditched one of the flattest-shooting "hottest" rounds out there, the .357 sig, in favor of a heavier bullet with just slightly more energy. I hope I made the right decision. Ammo availability and price between the 10mm and .357 sig seems identical, both crappy.
Lots more 357 SIG availability. There aren't any factory-loaded 10mm rounds I am aware of that are easy to find that aren't watered down.

Banned and wrong
EA 10mm 175gr. WSTHP 5.0 inch barrel 1320fps.

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DT has watered down their loads. I have tested them side by side(as Jay suggested) and other testing has reaffirmed. You can ask Blue he learned the hard way. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Post by **panzermk2** » 09 Apr 2011, 23:24

LK45s · Post by **LK45s** » 10 Apr 2011, 11:25

I got to thinking about a 21 round mag in a 1911? So I went back to the price list and it shows 18 rounders. Since it's just "vapor arms" anyway, who knows. It is always good to have another choice in 10s.

From the CZ Price List:

DAN WESSON "Elite Series" Titan, 10mm, black, tritium sights, rail, 18rd magazines TBA

DAN WESSON "Elite Series" Mayhem, .40 S&W, black, 6", adj. fiber sights, 18rd magazines TBA
DAN WESSON "Elite Series" Havoc, 9mm Luger, black, 45˚ C-More, 21rd magazines TBA
DAN WESSON "Elite Series" Havoc, .38 Super, black, 45˚ C-More, 21rd magazines TBA

Post by **blueorison** » 10 Apr 2011, 12:40

Dan Wesson is coming out with 2011-style pistols? Hm...

Valorius · Post by **Valorius** » 10 Apr 2011, 13:14

User42 wrote:Ummm, you considering yourself a factory now? I think he was referring to things you can buy in the stores, not dissing EA loads.

Doubletap, Buffalo Bore and Corbon all make full powered factory 10mm ammunition. That's besides Elite Ammo.

So as Panzer said, Wrong.

Valorius · Post by **Valorius** » 10 Apr 2011, 13:17

swe123 wrote:DT has watered down their loads. I have tested them side by side(as Jay suggested) and other testing has reaffirmed. You can ask Blue he learned the hard way. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

While some DT loads do not chrono to match DT's adv velocities, some others do. For instance i've chrono'd their 147gr+P FMJ flat nose trail defense load in my P7, and some of the rounds were actually a little faster than the 1135fps listed on the box, and none was under about 1120fps. That being said, Buffalo Bore's 124gr FMJ flat nose at 1300fps delivers a lot more energy, nearly cracking 500fpe.

Actual chrono results really depend on the altitude, atmospheric conditions and the gun you're using when the testing is done.

Wolvee · Post by **Wolvee** » 21 Apr 2011, 18:57

Mmmm, 10mm.

SHEEPDOG · Post by **SHEEPDOG** » 21 Apr 2011, 19:58

Get one you know you want it.

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