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Vs. Black bear?

Post by n16ht5 » 21 Mar 2009, 15:18

Well I don't have a .44mag yet, and I hike a lot in the PNW with black bears and cougars (yes, have seen both while out and about). Would my 5.7 with some EA ammo or ss192 be able to do much for me if I had problems with bear or cougar? I don't run into brown around here. I think a good shot placed to the head would probably stop one? Or would it just bounce off like a pebble and make it angry? Thanks


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PS. I do have a 12ga w slugs and an FNAR, but Its too hard to hike with either

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Post by oregunbob » 21 Mar 2009, 15:54

I'd go with a Glock 20 with some of Elite's Ammo. A pissed off bear is the closest thing hell on earth you'll ever see.... of course it's not a brown bear... but all the same, the 5.7 was developed to put down homo sapiens and go through soft body armor, not one of North America's heartiest mammals.

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Post by flyingirish04 » 21 Mar 2009, 16:58

I wouldn't recommend it.

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Post by Rapier1772 » 21 Mar 2009, 17:37

Personally, I might risk it for cougar (not intentionally hunting but as a just-in-case for hiking) but if there is a good potential for bear, I'd recommend something bigger. I have no data to back up my thinking other than what I have seen a bear withstand & continue running after being shot.
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Post by Esteves » 21 Mar 2009, 17:43

It's just fine for bear...



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Re: Vs. Black bear?

Post by n16ht5 » 21 Mar 2009, 19:29

That's kind of what I was thinking. I have been looking around for glock 20's, 29s, and ruger .44s, but wondering if I should go for the 57 or the pepper spray in the meantime :)

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Post by n16ht5 » 21 Mar 2009, 19:30

I live in WA, so not overly worried about it.

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Post by Tripletap » 22 Mar 2009, 17:29

I carry a Glock 29 with 10mm DT Solids when I hike in black bear country. It's good for two and four legged predators. You can carry the 5.7, just take along a slower more chewy friend. :laugh:

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Post by flyingirish04 » 22 Mar 2009, 17:53

I have a SW 629ES with a trigger job and magnaported snubnose (in 44 Mag). I trust it with my life. Backup is a Glock 29. I wouldn't go any smaller with the bears.
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Post by Cyberfly » 22 Mar 2009, 18:09

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Re: Vs. Black bear?

Post by Mister Freeze » 22 Mar 2009, 20:36

30rnd mags and plenty of EA. Surely you can get appropriate shot placement in 30 rounds. 'nuff said

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Post by Krull » 23 Mar 2009, 08:30

cougars=go for it,they're not super animals,5.7 should knock one right out (everybody I ever asked about them says they shoot them with .22WMR)

Black bear......... :skep: how big weight wise? if it's the smaller type I'd say .357 mag at the least and only if loaded with something like 158gr FMJ.

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Re: Vs. Black bear?

Post by FSNTAC » 23 Mar 2009, 08:34

the 5.7 would be just dandy.

To really lighten your load, you know what they say about a well placed .22!

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Post by Grantness » 23 Mar 2009, 13:13

Cougars I should think wouldnt be much of a problem.

Most black bears arent very big. If you run into a juvie, you might have a chance if you've got time to unload on them w/ good shot placement. I wouldnt reccommend it, but its certainly better than nothing. I run into juvie's all the time where I live...not more than 300lbs. I wouldnt think twice about using my FsN w/ some of my reloads on them (the small ones that is). I almost got to put my money where my mouth is last year when my dog ran into a small black bear and started chasing him. Fortunately, the bear was afraid of my 75lbs golden retriever and took off. If someone can take a 200+ pound pig with SS197, then w/ vastly superior ammo...who knows what you could do :?:

UltraRaptor might be OK for a cougar, but against a bear (assuming u arent going to take a headshot) it doesnt have the kind of penetration that you'd want. As I seem to recall, the UltraRaptor wasnt getting more than 9 inches of penetration (which is just fine for your average bi-pedal predator). If you're going to have to pick something, I'd pick ExTerminators....for max penetration. Protectors wouldnt be a bad choice either.

Oh, and a very reliable source once told me that he knew a guy who killed a problem moose w/ his FsN. Prob a head shot, but still...thats pretty impressive. :ponder:

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Re: Vs. Black bear?

Post by jmz5 » 23 Mar 2009, 15:44

I definitely wouldn't try 5.7x28 against a bear, it can be hazardous to your health.
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Re: Vs. Black bear?

Post by romer522 » 23 Mar 2009, 19:15

It might work well for the make-a-ton-of-noise tactic :clap:

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Post by gw45acp » 23 Mar 2009, 19:37

The common wisdom of gun writers in the advertising-loyal gunzines say that 44 Mag is the minimum recommended in the back country if dangerous game is about. I know that cougars are fairly soft sided, but since you are carrying only one handgun, it should be enough to handle Yogi and Boo Boo.
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Re: Vs. Black bear?

Post by DAUG » 24 Mar 2009, 00:54

5.7 on pigs and cougars, yes! Bears, no way, not recommended. It would just piss them off and it would be the fastest to way to find out you're not alpha on the food chain!
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Re: Vs. Black bear?

Post by Mister Freeze » 24 Mar 2009, 03:17

Somebody just go shoot one already

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Re: Vs. Black bear?

Post by Cyberfly » 24 Mar 2009, 09:44

Wait. If the bear were big enough to eat you in one bite, and wasn't really big on chewing, then you might could use your FsN to shoot your way out of his gullet...but... :?:
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