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Arizona, Arkansas, Connecticut, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, and Wisconsin all allow private businesses to post a specific sign (language and format vary by state) prohibiting concealed carry, violation of which, in some of these states, is grounds for revocation of the offender's concealed carry permit. By posting the signs, businesses create areas where it is illegal to carry a concealed handgun similar to regulations concerning schools, hospitals, and public gatherings. In addition to signage, virtually all jurisdictions allow some form of oral communication by the lawful owner or controller of the property that a person is not welcome and should leave. This notice can be given to anyone for any reason (except for statuses that are protected by the Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964 and other CRAs, such as race), including due to the carrying of firearms by that person, and refusal to heed such a request to leave may constitute trespassing. In some jurisdictions trespass by a person carrying a firearm may have more severe penalties than "simple" trespass, while in other jurisdictions, penalties are lower than for trespass.[52]
some states, business owners have been documented posting signs that appear to prohibit guns, but legally do not because the signs do not meet state or local laws defining required appearance, placement, or wording of signage. Such signage can be posted out of ignorance to the law, or intent to pacify gun control advocates while not actually prohibiting the practice. The force of law behind a non-compliant sign varies based on State statutes and case law. Some States interpret their statutes' high level of specification of signage as evidence that the signage must meet the specification exactly, and any quantifiable deviation from the statute makes the sign non-binding. Other States have decided in case law that if efforts were made in good faith to conform to the statutes, the sign carries the force of law even if it fails to meet current specification. Still others have such lax descriptions of what is a valid sign that virtually any sign that can be interpreted as "no guns allowed" is binding on the license holder.
Arizona, Arkansas, Connecticut, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, and Wisconsin all allow private businesses to post a specific sign (language and format vary by state) prohibiting concealed carry, violation of which, in some of these states, is grounds for revocation of the offender's concealed carry permit. By posting the signs, businesses create areas where it is illegal to carry a concealed handgun similar to regulations concerning schools, hospitals, and public gatherings. In addition to signage, virtually all jurisdictions allow some form of oral communication by the lawful owner or controller of the property that a person is not welcome and should leave. This notice can be given to anyone for any reason (except for statuses that are protected by the Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964 and other CRAs, such as race), including due to the carrying of firearms by that person, and refusal to heed such a request to leave may constitute trespassing. In some jurisdictions trespass by a person carrying a firearm may have more severe penalties than "simple" trespass, while in other jurisdictions, penalties are lower than for trespass.[52]
some states, business owners have been documented posting signs that appear to prohibit guns, but legally do not because the signs do not meet state or local laws defining required appearance, placement, or wording of signage. Such signage can be posted out of ignorance to the law, or intent to pacify gun control advocates while not actually prohibiting the practice. The force of law behind a non-compliant sign varies based on State statutes and case law. Some States interpret their statutes' high level of specification of signage as evidence that the signage must meet the specification exactly, and any quantifiable deviation from the statute makes the sign non-binding. Other States have decided in case law that if efforts were made in good faith to conform to the statutes, the sign carries the force of law even if it fails to meet current specification. Still others have such lax descriptions of what is a valid sign that virtually any sign that can be interpreted as "no guns allowed" is binding on the license holder.
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Just leave it at "check your local laws"
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toyslr wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_ ... ted_States
Arizona, Arkansas, Connecticut, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, and Wisconsin all allow private businesses to post a specific sign (language and format vary by state) prohibiting concealed carry, violation of which, in some of these states, is grounds for revocation of the offender's concealed carry permit. By posting the signs, businesses create areas where it is illegal to carry a concealed handgun similar to regulations concerning schools, hospitals, and public gatherings. In addition to signage, virtually all jurisdictions allow some form of oral communication by the lawful owner or controller of the property that a person is not welcome and should leave. This notice can be given to anyone for any reason (except for statuses that are protected by the Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964 and other CRAs, such as race), including due to the carrying of firearms by that person, and refusal to heed such a request to leave may constitute trespassing. In some jurisdictions trespass by a person carrying a firearm may have more severe penalties than "simple" trespass, while in other jurisdictions, penalties are lower than for trespass.[52]
some states, business owners have been documented posting signs that appear to prohibit guns, but legally do not because the signs do not meet state or local laws defining required appearance, placement, or wording of signage. Such signage can be posted out of ignorance to the law, or intent to pacify gun control advocates while not actually prohibiting the practice. The force of law behind a non-compliant sign varies based on State statutes and case law. Some States interpret their statutes' high level of specification of signage as evidence that the signage must meet the specification exactly, and any quantifiable deviation from the statute makes the sign non-binding. Other States have decided in case law that if efforts were made in good faith to conform to the statutes, the sign carries the force of law even if it fails to meet current specification. Still others have such lax descriptions of what is a valid sign that virtually any sign that can be interpreted as "no guns allowed" is binding on the license holder.
Pretty good. Except the stuff about losing CWP is hogwash in most of those states. It simply can't legally happen from just carrying a gun into a signed business in all those states beside Connecticut. I admit I don't know about that state.
But yes, check your local laws.
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:ponder: 10 Years, 10k is what they usually say! Pretty ballsie charge to say but not be able to enforce ?
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Here is what Gov. Romney did in Mass.
As governor of Massachusetts, Romney signed a 2004 extension of a ban on assault weapons, at the time saying "These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people."
Look it up.
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As governor of Massachusetts, Romney signed a 2004 extension of a ban on assault weapons, at the time saying "These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people."
Look it up.
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xslice, you need to stay on topic. Don't hijack. There are plenty of Threads for that discussion
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:laugh: It is true but wrong thread bud! Stop trying to troll, millions of places to make your tiny liberal ego feel great, not here ! :agree:
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Oh boy, here we go!
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Members of the Westboro Baptist Church appear to be on their way to protest a prayer vigil for victims of the Aurora massacre, according to tweets from members posted by Examiner.com.
Using the hashtag #ThankGodForTheShooter, Examiner.com reports members tweeted out their plans to "super picket" the candle lit prayer service, saying "God is at work in Colorado."
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Wow, I wonder if the Westboro Baptist "Church" would be thanking God if that red-headed lunatic busted into their meeting place and started shooting them up?
I know I would...
I know I would...
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:agree:jgreenberg01 wrote:Wow, I wonder if the Westboro Baptist "Church" would be thanking God if that red-headed lunatic busted into their meeting place and started shooting them up?
I know I would...
They (wbc) are begging for a beatdown if they show up there. I would expect another shooting
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:laugh: I don't think THAT gunman would be considered evil or be arrested after doing a favor for humanity!!! Although then thats all the fed need to outlaw all my toys.... Lets just hope they drink their own cool aid!!! :thumb:
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Dumba$$ in Maryland gets fired and tells previous employer "I'm the REAL Joker and I'm gonna blow things up!"
<profanity> HAD some nice weapons!
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<profanity> HAD some nice weapons!
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Yeah that idiot could have done some serious damage. I even saw a SCAR H, that would jam and oh yeah shoots a .308 so would shred you if it hit you. Could thing he was stupid enough to threaten first, and the authorities responded quick enough. Could have been another horrible massacre, possibly bigger too. :facepalm:
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you know, with <profanity> like this, they ARE going to make getting weapons harder.toyslr wrote:Dumbass in Maryland gets fired and tells previous employer "I'm the REAL Joker and I'm gonna blow things up!"
<profanity> HAD some nice weapons!
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no body is going to ban weapons.. dont fall for the hype
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Public area, watch the language people
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:rules: Sorry! Just the best way to desrcibe people like that :ponder: ! But it does not call for profanity, and the only chance of banning anything, is if more moronic, horrible things happen, which in gun bearing Texas is unlikely. :thumb:
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P.S.
The "Dark Knight Rises" was an extremely boring and unsatisfying movie. Was it supposed to be about Batman? And if anybody can figure out what the hell Bane was saying through his mask, be sure and let me know...
The "Dark Knight Rises" was an extremely boring and unsatisfying movie. Was it supposed to be about Batman? And if anybody can figure out what the hell Bane was saying through his mask, be sure and let me know...
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:agree: The movie should have followed the BMan more, after all it is the DARK KNIGHT RISES. I just don't think you could could top heath ledgers performance in the Dark Knight. He got a lil to into character + two bad washed out twins= O.D.Yeah it was like Darth Vader auto tuned way too much??
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So a guy open carried into a showing of “The Dark Knight Rises” in Cookeville this weekend. This caused a theater employee to call police, since the theater is posted “no guns allowed.”
The cops show up and try to find the guy amongst the other guests, but can’t. The decision was made to stop the movie and ask to speak with the gentleman with the gun.
Three guys stand up.
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+1, I thought that was a joke, Aurora was awful but might not have happened in southern states!
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So now open carry FANatics are going to turn it into a political deal also?...
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Full story! Looks as if the cops asked for them to take their weapons to their cars and they complied. Not a open carry stand for their cause....
Full story! Looks as if the cops asked for them to take their weapons to their cars and they complied. Not a open carry stand for their cause....
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If I were a citizen I would comply but ask the officers if they intended to stay throughout the remainder of the movie...just to see if they would 'protect and serve' the best interests of the people.
But since I'm an LEO, I'd tell them NO, and sit back down.
But since I'm an LEO, I'd tell them NO, and sit back down.
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He was charged with 142 crimes.
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:ponder: 24 Accounts of first degree murder, 142 total charges? I wonder if he'll get the death penalty, the death penalty has been a lil shaky and un heard of but legal in Colorado. Arguable, if found guilty, if not completely insane, no one else deserves it as much as him!!
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He'll be in a nut house on yours and my dime for the rest of his life!
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I'd prefer a one time payment, but we should let things take course, lets see if the colorado justice system is as bad as Florida's!
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We need a law (Constitutional amendment?) that says when overwhelming evidence is present the bad guy is immediately executed in the parking lot behind the court building. I think this guy qualifies.
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66 yr. old man assists Officer who was being fired upon
From what I've read and see in the video, he took a 100+ yard shot with a .357 to hit the perp in the leg.
Doesn't say .357 rifle or pistol but it drew the guys fire and allowed the Responding Officer to return more accurate
fire with his AR and take the guy down.
From what I've read and see in the video, he took a 100+ yard shot with a .357 to hit the perp in the leg.
Doesn't say .357 rifle or pistol but it drew the guys fire and allowed the Responding Officer to return more accurate
fire with his AR and take the guy down.
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Thats what the LAW was out in the west a 100 yrs ago! But what a shot! Maybe a python ? Had to be a magnum for a 100rd shot! That just shows what SHOULD have happened in Aurora, a civilian takes action butttttttt not in the leg and maybe 10yrds away!
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Wow, 165 yards! Hit him 4 times?
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toyslr wrote:So now open carry FANatics are going to turn it into a political deal also?...
I don't have a problem with open carry. And it is a civil rights deal. It shouldn't be political. Lefties make it political. I think perhaps you are aiming your ire in the wrong direction. Should LEOs be forced to conceal their weapons? No. Neither should law abiding citizens. If I were in the theater, I would have felt far less safe once they were forced to remove their firearms, than before. :ponder:
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:ponder: If you conceal your weapon for a good amount of time, use that privilege good, are an outstanding citizen, and go through a stricter course, why shouldn't you be allowed to open carry? It would discourage crime, and its almost weirder that we are allowed to conceal are weapons!?
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Some states allow open-carry, but require a permit for concealed carry. Some allow both w/o a permit. Laws can vary widely between states and even cities (i.e. state law may allow open carry but the city prohibits it), so be sure to research the statutes pertaining to any local you plan on visiting.
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I don't have a problem with it in general! If thats what you want to do then more power to you. LEO is a completely different situation, the are trained, certified, and doing a job. There is a BIG difference in a Cop carrying open carry than an individual.
I walk in and see a cop with a weapon on his hip, i'm good. I see an individual not in uniform and trust me, I will keep an eye on them.
In my opinion I think you make yourself a target with open carry! If there is a situation, any perp in his right mind will deal with threats ( I.E. A weapon on your hip makes you a threat) Concealed Carry gives you the elimate of surprise and that in any battle will always be an advantage.
I walk in and see a cop with a weapon on his hip, i'm good. I see an individual not in uniform and trust me, I will keep an eye on them.
In my opinion I think you make yourself a target with open carry! If there is a situation, any perp in his right mind will deal with threats ( I.E. A weapon on your hip makes you a threat) Concealed Carry gives you the elimate of surprise and that in any battle will always be an advantage.
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I completely agree with you. Concealed carry gives you the opportunity to chose the moment you want to take action. The best action to take might just to be a good witness.toyslr wrote:I don't have a problem with it in general! If thats what you want to do then more power to you. LEO is a completely different situation, the are trained, certified, and doing a job. There is a BIG difference in a Cop carrying open carry than an individual.
I walk in and see a cop with a weapon on his hip, i'm good. I see an individual not in uniform and trust me, I will keep an eye on them.
In my opinion I think you make yourself a target with open carry! If there is a situation, any perp in his right mind will deal with threats ( I.E. A weapon on your hip makes you a threat) Concealed Carry gives you the elimate of surprise and that in any battle will always be an advantage.
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This couldnt have happened at a worse time for gun owners.
Yes it is tragic and I dont wish to detract from the severity and sad aspect of this situation.
But the hard part is with it being an election year, every yahoo looking to improve their public perception is jumping on the bandwagon and trying figure out ways to limit our Second Amendment rights. And sadly, I dont have any way to refute their arguments at this point. This is just a sad situation all around
Yes it is tragic and I dont wish to detract from the severity and sad aspect of this situation.
But the hard part is with it being an election year, every yahoo looking to improve their public perception is jumping on the bandwagon and trying figure out ways to limit our Second Amendment rights. And sadly, I dont have any way to refute their arguments at this point. This is just a sad situation all around
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The element of surprise is a two edged sword, but it definitely helps when taking down at yahoo, on your timing. A cop should HAVE open carry though, as a sign of authority and as a highly trained capable person to use it. Believe it or not Bax, their was a reason it was built into the constitution, which is supposed to be the very fabric of our society, not the fabric yahoo try to wipe butts with. It was built in because our country will always face evils domestically and foreign, to not prepare or be able to respond with force of arms, to have civilians not be able to even have the basic rights to protect themselves from the foreign or domestic evils is a tragedy . Aurora was entirely awful, but if they use that as ammunition to ban assault rifles, or anything more lethal than a musket ( the only true way to protect your self) that would be the greater tragedy.
I personally think fully auto rifles and any Militarized rifle should be able to be attained (new) by highly screened, trained and upright citizens. You could argue that it would just create dozens of massacres, but if someones that content on killing, its pretty easy to file a selector, or make a pretty nice fertilizer bomb. Screening for the yahoo's would be hard, but very needed, we should be able to get ANY rifle a US Army personal could get, if your a trained, screened, and upright person. The point of the second amendment was not only to protect us form ourselves but to protect us from the GOVERNMENT which is limiting the amendments power, and is currently getting to be VERY shady, unpredictable and increasingly worse. Im not bashin the gubmint, just think the people need more power, to the right people :thumb:
I personally think fully auto rifles and any Militarized rifle should be able to be attained (new) by highly screened, trained and upright citizens. You could argue that it would just create dozens of massacres, but if someones that content on killing, its pretty easy to file a selector, or make a pretty nice fertilizer bomb. Screening for the yahoo's would be hard, but very needed, we should be able to get ANY rifle a US Army personal could get, if your a trained, screened, and upright person. The point of the second amendment was not only to protect us form ourselves but to protect us from the GOVERNMENT which is limiting the amendments power, and is currently getting to be VERY shady, unpredictable and increasingly worse. Im not bashin the gubmint, just think the people need more power, to the right people :thumb:
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That all may be true. Except the crap about how the cop has way more training. Having family that are LEOs, I can tell you that most cops retain any, if at all of their training. And the training they have is largely over billed.CenCalSplicer wrote:I completely agree with you. Concealed carry gives you the opportunity to chose the moment you want to take action. The best action to take might just to be a good witness.toyslr wrote:I don't have a problem with it in general! If thats what you want to do then more power to you. LEO is a completely different situation, the are trained, certified, and doing a job. There is a BIG difference in a Cop carrying open carry than an individual.
I walk in and see a cop with a weapon on his hip, i'm good. I see an individual not in uniform and trust me, I will keep an eye on them.
In my opinion I think you make yourself a target with open carry! If there is a situation, any perp in his right mind will deal with threats ( I.E. A weapon on your hip makes you a threat) Concealed Carry gives you the elimate of surprise and that in any battle will always be an advantage.
And it may make you a deterrent, as much as a target.
And I am doing a job too, protecting myself. And I see a guy competently, open carrying, I think, well he isn't hiding anything, and I am glad he is exercising his right.
I don't open carry, except when hunting and out in the wilderness. But the fact is that every citizen should be able to open carry without a permit, period, end of story. No police officer should have more rights than a citizen. That isn't the way it works in a truly free society.
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Well said, Irish.flyingirish04 wrote:That all may be true. Except the crap about how the cop has way more training. Having family that are LEOs, I can tell you that most cops retain any, if at all of their training. And the training they have is largely over billed.CenCalSplicer wrote:I completely agree with you. Concealed carry gives you the opportunity to chose the moment you want to take action. The best action to take might just to be a good witness.toyslr wrote:I don't have a problem with it in general! If thats what you want to do then more power to you. LEO is a completely different situation, the are trained, certified, and doing a job. There is a BIG difference in a Cop carrying open carry than an individual.
I walk in and see a cop with a weapon on his hip, i'm good. I see an individual not in uniform and trust me, I will keep an eye on them.
In my opinion I think you make yourself a target with open carry! If there is a situation, any perp in his right mind will deal with threats ( I.E. A weapon on your hip makes you a threat) Concealed Carry gives you the elimate of surprise and that in any battle will always be an advantage.
And it may make you a deterrent, as much as a target.
And I am doing a job too, protecting myself. And I see a guy competently, open carrying, I think, well he isn't hiding anything, and I am glad he is exercising his right.
I don't open carry, except when hunting and out in the wilderness. But the fact is that every citizen should be able to open carry without a permit, period, end of story. No police officer should have more rights than a citizen. That isn't the way it works in a truly free society.
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The Police officers SHOULD have more rights, as in democracy good civilians are usually elected or given more power, a truly free society would be Armageddon, its impossible for a man to have every right with out endangering other mens rights, true freedom is chaos, where you are free to do anything. True freedom, chaos, would be every man has his guns out, thinking he has every right in the world and no rules against him, which would lead to huge escalates of violence, and we would soon be a nomadic marauder, agriculturally war torn civilization. Democracy gives people a huge amount of rights and theoretically all the power, all for a common and greater good. :ponder:
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And in a perfect world it would be ALL rainbows and ice cream! Guess what its not a perfect world. I've seen people in concealed carry classes that If I had my choice I would boot out on their ass until the learned more about their weapons, must less having anyone who wishes to blaze through town with a weapon on their hip. I also don't see a purpose in walking around town carrying a rifle because I can but many open carry advocates see this is a way to promote their cause when it all it does is create a civil disturbance.
Police Officers are fullfilling a need and purpose to those that choose not to carry and they afforded that right to open carry to do that! Your argument of you "doing" a job is kind of ridiculous, your not certified or backed by any city, county or state. You choose to carryto protect yourself and family as I do! Thats it thats all
Police Officers are fullfilling a need and purpose to those that choose not to carry and they afforded that right to open carry to do that! Your argument of you "doing" a job is kind of ridiculous, your not certified or backed by any city, county or state. You choose to carryto protect yourself and family as I do! Thats it thats all
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Sounds like your confusing freedom with the typical view of anarchyPiston Driven wrote:The Police officers SHOULD have more rights, as in democracy good civilians are usually elected or given more power, a truly free society would be Armageddon, its impossible for a man to have every right with out endangering other mens rights, true freedom is chaos, where you are free to do anything. True freedom, chaos, would be every man has his guns out, thinking he has every right in the world and no rules against him, which would lead to huge escalates of violence, and we would soon be a nomadic marauder, agriculturally war torn civilization. Democracy gives people a huge amount of rights and theoretically all the power, all for a common and greater good. :ponder:
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Thank God we're not a Democracy.Piston Driven wrote:The Police officers SHOULD have more rights, as in democracy good civilians are usually elected or given more power, a truly free society would be Armageddon, its impossible for a man to have every right with out endangering other mens rights, true freedom is chaos, where you are free to do anything. True freedom, chaos, would be every man has his guns out, thinking he has every right in the world and no rules against him, which would lead to huge escalates of violence, and we would soon be a nomadic marauder, agriculturally war torn civilization. Democracy gives people a huge amount of rights and theoretically all the power, all for a common and greater good. :ponder:
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Freedom means that we have been endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights, and the particular group of people we elect to manage our Republic may not infringe upon them (they did not give us our rights; therefore they cannot take them away). The second essential right the founders chose to describe was the right to bare arms...they must have thought it important. They were VERY afraid of a Federal Government with unlimited power and had good reason to be concerned. Just because you get annoyed by some people who like to open-carry to prove a point or because it makes them feel like a bada$$ should not diminish my ability to OC if I so choose. Let everybody know you're strapped to the hilt if you feel like it! We've got the 2A to protect us from tyranny. Sometimes would-be tyrants need to be reminded that they may not tread however/wherever they please.
That being said, I'm not advocating OC where it is not legal to do so. I'm not calling for anarchy or open rebellion. I simply mean to support OC where it is legal and to change the laws where it is not...
That being said, I'm not advocating OC where it is not legal to do so. I'm not calling for anarchy or open rebellion. I simply mean to support OC where it is legal and to change the laws where it is not...
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Our Freedoms and Rights where both given to use by the founding fathers and the signers of the Declaration of Independence! God or whoever you look at as a "creator" had nothing to do with it. The Bill of Rights were written by mortal man, not GOD. I agree 100% with protecting those rights as laid down but lets not make this a discussion on inalienable right given by the LORD because that isn't so. These were a group of men who layed down what they thought would make a better country base on the conFlicts they had with their current rulers. The "RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS" isn't a god given right it is a right based on the direction of men who fought to this country and its was voted on like anything else in a democracy.
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That is not freedom, nor amendment of law, those are god given rights. What some here say is freedom is doing what ever they feel, with out the gubmint. This is a democracy more than a republic, and more socialist than anything. 2nd amendment is crucial and Ive said we should legally be able to get any mil grade rifle. I think stronger screening and training would be appropriate ! Read what else Ive said, they had a reason for the right, but if we are all absolutely free it is chaos. We need to strive to be free as possible, as long as others rights aren't trampled. I think open carry should be more prominent but people say the elected law enforcement officers should not have the rights appointed and given to them??? I absolutely agree, open carry should be a national law, as should a complete repeal and reattempt at the brady bill.What point is their of the 2nd Amendment if the guns given as natural rights, aren't as good as the governments oh yeah the same government that more or less says you SHOULD be nervous and better yet ready! :agree:Grantness wrote:Freedom means that we have been endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights, and the particular group of people we elect to manage our Republic may not infringe upon them (they did not give us our rights; therefore they cannot take them away). The second essential right the founders chose to describe was the right to bare arms...they must have thought it important. They were VERY afraid of a Federal Government with unlimited power and had good reason to be concerned. Just because you get annoyed by some people who like to open-carry to prove a point or because it makes them feel like a bada$$ should not diminish my ability to OC if I so choose. Let everybody know you're strapped to the hilt if you feel like it! We've got the 2A to protect us from tyranny. Sometimes would-be tyrants need to be reminded that they may not tread however/wherever they please.
That being said, I'm not advocating OC where it is not legal to do so. I'm not calling for anarchy or open rebellion. I simply mean to support OC where it is legal and to change the laws where it is not...
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And I'm sure GOD was there with them when they wrote this! PLEASE.....did they have come to Jesus meeting and chat until GOD ALIMIGHTY came down and wrote the Declaration for them??
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All im saying is that individuals are born with those rights. You don't need Obama to give them to you. If you take exception to the language used in the Declaration of Independence and perhaps think Jefferson, et al small-minded and superstitious then you have every right to do so ...but not thanks to a bunch of words on a piece of parchment. :p
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The right to self-defense is a right, among others that was believed then to be indeed endowed to everyone by their creator. That is the belief structure behind modern liberty. It is something that people are born deserving. You don't have to talk to God, or even believe in one to know that you are born with the right to defend your life.
As far as the 2nd Amendment, it is a man given right, based in those principles, and based on the principles of checks and balances. The 2nd Amendment is there to ENSURE the citizen has more ability to defend against a usurping and tyranical government. It was to protect against police getting more power than the citizens they police.
If you don't agree with that principle, fine. There is a process to infringe upon it, through a rigorous amendments process. That is the only way the constitution can be rewritten or changed. But to say that there is any US Constitutional justification for empowering police or govt over its people, is to not know what you are talking about. We are a republic, not a democracy. We protect individual rights over collective rights and government expediency. We check and balance and separate powers. The final check and balance is the armed to the teeth citizen. And Hallelujah for that.
As far as the 2nd Amendment, it is a man given right, based in those principles, and based on the principles of checks and balances. The 2nd Amendment is there to ENSURE the citizen has more ability to defend against a usurping and tyranical government. It was to protect against police getting more power than the citizens they police.
If you don't agree with that principle, fine. There is a process to infringe upon it, through a rigorous amendments process. That is the only way the constitution can be rewritten or changed. But to say that there is any US Constitutional justification for empowering police or govt over its people, is to not know what you are talking about. We are a republic, not a democracy. We protect individual rights over collective rights and government expediency. We check and balance and separate powers. The final check and balance is the armed to the teeth citizen. And Hallelujah for that.
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Actually some would argue yes, and technically it is a divine document as our "god less" for fathers broke into prayer sessions 4 times a day. A lesser known fact, just like the separation between church and state which was in a letter from jefferson, not in the constitution. This was made as a christian nation, wether or not you like it, its us, one nation UNDER GOD. :patriot:toyslr wrote:And I'm sure GOD was there with them when they wrote this! PLEASE.....did they have come to Jesus meeting and chat until GOD ALIMIGHTY came down and wrote the Declaration for them??
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Its not asking God if you have that right, it a right he gives every man, which would go back to who IS your creator. But the Christian true God is the basis for our civilization, a nation with faith to God and under God.flyingirish04 wrote:The right to self-defense is a right, among others that was believed then to be indeed endowed to everyone by their creator. That is the belief structure behind modern liberty. It is something that people are born deserving. You don't have to talk to God, or even believe in one to know that you are born with the right to defend your life.
How can we protect against the mil grade weapons the government has? You think a semi auto ar 15 would even fire when a SAW m249 cut you to bits? Uh not quite about police, they are elected officials given that power, modern policing did NOT exist in the late 1700's.flyingirish04 wrote: far as the 2nd Amendment, it is a man given right, based in those principles, and based on the principles of checks and balances. The 2nd Amendment is there to ENSURE the citizen has more ability to defend against a usurping and tyranical government. It was to protect against police getting more power than the citizens they police.
Both republics and democracy are FOUNDED on the notion the many, the people, vote for a selected for few to govern and or have power. Police officers are a modern feature of society, as are judges and politicians. Perhaps YOU do not understand Democracy's OR Republic, although set up as a Fedral Republic NOW we want to be a democracy . We protect personal rights unless they impede on others rights, unless others natural, god given or legal rights are broken. The armed to the teeth citizen couldn't compare to a armed to the tooth solider. It just shows that A) Best military in the world B) We aren't able to get the same means to protect ourselves C) Oh yeah they could gathers up or crush us with EASE . This country needs reform, than the hallelujahs can come, but oh no they can't becouse that offends other peoples LACK of religion. So until we find our roots again, and find the strength, the drive, the power that put us on top, they're won't be any hallelujahs from me sir!flyingirish04 wrote:If you don't agree with that principle, fine. There is a process to infringe upon it, through a rigorous amendments process. That is the only way the constitution can be rewritten or changed. But to say that there is any US Constitutional justification for empowering police or govt over its people, is to not know what you are talking about. We are a republic, not a democracy. We protect individual rights over collective rights and government expediency. We check and balance and separate powers. The final check and balance is the armed to the teeth citizen. And Hallelujah for that.
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^^^It is clear that you don't understand civics really well. We do not have a democracy. We have a Republic. Nothing else. The fast majority of people do not want a democracy. They may use the words wrongly, but a republic is what we have, and most peoples principles are for a Republic. Even if they were, again, we are a Republic, so it isn't like they can vote us directly into a democracy.
Whether or not we are holding true to our founding principles is a whole other argument. The fact is that there are more armed citizens then there are armed soliders. You also forget that a great deal of the military share the same liberty loving principles. You have heard of 'oath keepers' I'm sure.
The founding document deserves the hallelujah. That was my point. The system of checks and balances deserve it as well.
Whether or not we are holding true to our founding principles is a whole other argument. The fact is that there are more armed citizens then there are armed soliders. You also forget that a great deal of the military share the same liberty loving principles. You have heard of 'oath keepers' I'm sure.
The founding document deserves the hallelujah. That was my point. The system of checks and balances deserve it as well.
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No actually I kinda do, I have said we had a Federal Constitutional Republic, most people and elected leaders don't follow the constitution, a lot of people don't want a federal governing style, and almost every one wants their "vote" heard and to have input on EVERYTHING. Like I said we are weakly a republic, that wants to be a democracy. Maybe more citizens are armed, but about 30% only have one gun, and a bout 1% have anything close to a military weapon. Sure it deserves some credit, maybe after it is fixed and amended for our times or oh yeah we could just follow it. Like I said no hallelujah's from me until we go back to our roots and rights and MAKE our selfs great again. :thumb:flyingirish04 wrote:^^^It is clear that you don't understand civics really well. We do not have a democracy. We have a Republic. Nothing else. The fast majority of people do not want a democracy. They may use the words wrongly, but a republic is what we have, and most peoples principles are for a Republic. Even if they were, again, we are a Republic, so it isn't like they can vote us directly into a democracy.
Whether or not we are holding true to our founding principles is a whole other argument. The fact is that there are more armed citizens then there are armed soliders. You also forget that a great deal of the military share the same liberty loving principles. You have heard of 'oath keepers' I'm sure.
The founding document deserves the hallelujah. That was my point. The system of checks and balances deserve it as well.
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We are not weakly a republic, no matter how much you stamp your feet and shout. We have a robust constitutional process and have the most seperated and check power sharing apparatus of a government in the world.
It isn't perfect, no. It is the best that man can come up with.
Now if you don't like the politics, that's fine, there is a process to change that. But the framework of the republic isn't hopelessly flawed. It is stronger than any other governing framework in the world.
You are bordering on insanely sanctimonious drivel. Who's values? The deists, unitarians? The anglicans, presbyterians? The agnostics, athiests? The Roman Catholics? Those were all part of the religious backgrounds of the people that drew up our new nation.
They didn't do it to a set personal value system. They did it knowing that the people who would be in power would be flawed, even heinously incompetant or even power hungry. They created a system that was very hard to congregate absolute power. That has stayed pretty constant through time. That is worth a Hallelujah in my book.
It isn't perfect, no. It is the best that man can come up with.
Now if you don't like the politics, that's fine, there is a process to change that. But the framework of the republic isn't hopelessly flawed. It is stronger than any other governing framework in the world.
You are bordering on insanely sanctimonious drivel. Who's values? The deists, unitarians? The anglicans, presbyterians? The agnostics, athiests? The Roman Catholics? Those were all part of the religious backgrounds of the people that drew up our new nation.
They didn't do it to a set personal value system. They did it knowing that the people who would be in power would be flawed, even heinously incompetant or even power hungry. They created a system that was very hard to congregate absolute power. That has stayed pretty constant through time. That is worth a Hallelujah in my book.
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Now your the only one stamping your feat that we are a almighty republic, this best man has come up with. We have one of the most corrupt system of checks and balances, congress = Dem or Rep, Senate = Dem or Rep, both have a common party and agenda. Both nominate one of their own for president, one wins and can elect supreme justices as he, his agenda and party wants. So pretty separated right???flyingirish04 wrote:We are not weakly a republic, no matter how much you stamp your feet and shout. We have a robust constitutional process and have the most seperated and check power sharing apparatus of a government in the world.
It isn't perfect, no. It is the best that man can come up with.
Now if you don't like the politics, that's fine, there is a process to change that. But the framework of the republic isn't hopelessly flawed. It is stronger than any other governing framework in the world.
You are bordering on insanely sanctimonious drivel. Who's values? The deists, unitarians? The anglicans, presbyterians? The agnostics, athiests? The Roman Catholics? Those were all part of the religious backgrounds of the people that drew up our new nation.
They didn't do it to a set personal value system. They did it knowing that the people who would be in power would be flawed, even heinously incompetant or even power hungry. They created a system that was very hard to congregate absolute power. That has stayed pretty constant through time. That is worth a Hallelujah in my book.
Its not perfect by a long shot, its not the best attempt by an either. YOU CANT CHANGE POLITICS, its a self sustained monster and YOUR vote will not matter. Its is as of now the strongest framework we just aren't executing it and as always in republics, are beyond corrupt.
The Christian values tat no matter what you think, started, founded and birthed a great nation. A nation indivisible under God. Every single last man who signed the Nation Constitution was a Christian. Beyond that a motivated people who work for the greatest good, that are bold and innovative. People not afraid but willing to put us on top again. We are slipping. They created a system that was almost fool proof except the unbelievable evil in the human nature roes to the occasion, giving (present day) one of the most corrupt systems in the world, where a self selected few make this nations decisions solely for their own agenda and their own gain. The text book definition of corrupt, until that is uprooted, how could a hallelujah come out?
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Hmmmm yea that was the case up until Congress started basing their votes and deliberations on agendas in which they have monetary investments. That and our current President who likes to wait until they adjourn to slide bills and acts in under their noses.most seperated and check power sharing apparatus of a government in the world.
YES! We are...We are slipping
We have allowed lobbyist and money making to become the norm in Washington instead of what is better for the good of the country! But something that no one talks about is that the Constitution was put in place to protect against this but how in the world do you unseat a failed Government process (Political Parties)
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First part exactly what I said :agree: ! More than that only select few can decide the course of our nation, the defense and arms group having the right to declare war! Obama may or may not have a agenda either way he is NOT helping!toyslr wrote:Hmmmm yea that was the case up until Congress started basing their votes and deliberations on agendas in which they have monetary investments. That and our current President who likes to wait until they adjourn to slide bills and acts in under their noses.most seperated and check power sharing apparatus of a government in the world.
YES! We are...We are slipping
We have allowed lobbyist and money making to become the norm in Washington instead of what is better for the good of the country! But something that no one talks about is that the Constitution was put in place to protect against this but how in the world do you unseat a failed Government process (Political Parties)
We sure are slipping as China rise to great power. Scary! The constitution warned of a corrupt government, now their really is no answer. What revolution? Good luck with our semi auto 16 inch, 10 rd, AR 15's, and our AbramS, F22's, A 10's, Cobra's that oh we don't have . :guns: :suicide: Not a fair fight! Maybe the answer is a cultural revolution, heck the Occupy wall street gotta a lot of momentum , and yeah they didn't even have a message or goal, they had just had a lot of pent up anger towards successful people! :thumb: Who knows, maybe we just need to accept its too late, but that is just so against being American, either way its no call for "hallelujahs" .
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Finally went and saw it on Friday... The usher came down to the front and checked the exit door with his flashlight four times during the movie. I've never seen them do that before. :ponder:
BTW, I didn't care for it nearly as much as the last one. Too drawn out, too emotional, unimaginative...
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BTW, I didn't care for it nearly as much as the last one. Too drawn out, too emotional, unimaginative...
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I sure was when I saw it.
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I saw it.
I liked it. I thought it was a good end to the Trilogy..but left things open for Darkwing to step up.
I liked it. I thought it was a good end to the Trilogy..but left things open for Darkwing to step up.
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Cyberfly wrote:left things open for Darkwing to step up.
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Yeah, my bad. Meant to say Nightwing. But a Darkwing Duck IRL would be pretty cool. As long as they do better than they did with Howard the Duck!
Surely special effects have come far enough along that they could...
Surely special effects have come far enough along that they could...
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Piston Driven wrote:First part exactly what I said :agree: ! More than that only select few can decide the course of our nation, the defense and arms group having the right to declare war! Obama may or may not have a agenda either way he is NOT helping!toyslr wrote:Hmmmm yea that was the case up until Congress started basing their votes and deliberations on agendas in which they have monetary investments. That and our current President who likes to wait until they adjourn to slide bills and acts in under their noses.most seperated and check power sharing apparatus of a government in the world.
YES! We are...We are slipping
We have allowed lobbyist and money making to become the norm in Washington instead of what is better for the good of the country! But something that no one talks about is that the Constitution was put in place to protect against this but how in the world do you unseat a failed Government process (Political Parties)
We sure are slipping as China rise to great power. Scary! The constitution warned of a corrupt government, now their really is no answer. What revolution? Good luck with our semi auto 16 inch, 10 rd, AR 15's, and our AbramS, F22's, A 10's, Cobra's that oh we don't have . :guns: :suicide: Not a fair fight! Maybe the answer is a cultural revolution, heck the Occupy wall street gotta a lot of momentum , and yeah they didn't even have a message or goal, they had just had a lot of pent up anger towards successful people! :thumb: Who knows, maybe we just need to accept its too late, but that is just so against being American, either way its no call for "hallelujahs" .
You guys are arguing political ideology, not civics. The fact is that the separation of power still exists, even today. Hallelujah.
Do we need to step up and vote for our liberties continually, yes. Do we need to hold politicians accountable, yes. Do we throw the baby out with the bath water? NO. :facepalm:
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Cyberfly wrote:Yeah, my bad. Meant to say Nightwing. But a Darkwing Duck IRL would be pretty cool. As long as they do better than they did with Howard the Duck!
Surely special effects have come far enough along that they could...
Sorry, I admit, never a comic book reader. Who is nightwing?
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flyingirish04 wrote:Piston Driven wrote:First part exactly what I said :agree: ! More than that only select few can decide the course of our nation, the defense and arms group having the right to declare war! Obama may or may not have a agenda either way he is NOT helping!toyslr wrote:Hmmmm yea that was the case up until Congress started basing their votes and deliberations on agendas in which they have monetary investments. That and our current President who likes to wait until they adjourn to slide bills and acts in under their noses.most seperated and check power sharing apparatus of a government in the world.
YES! We are...We are slipping
We have allowed lobbyist and money making to become the norm in Washington instead of what is better for the good of the country! But something that no one talks about is that the Constitution was put in place to protect against this but how in the world do you unseat a failed Government process (Political Parties)
We sure are slipping as China rise to great power. Scary! The constitution warned of a corrupt government, now their really is no answer. What revolution? Good luck with our semi auto 16 inch, 10 rd, AR 15's, and our AbramS, F22's, A 10's, Cobra's that oh we don't have . :guns: :suicide: Not a fair fight! Maybe the answer is a cultural revolution, heck the Occupy wall street gotta a lot of momentum , and yeah they didn't even have a message or goal, they had just had a lot of pent up anger towards successful people! :thumb: Who knows, maybe we just need to accept its too late, but that is just so against being American, either way its no call for "hallelujahs" .
You guys are arguing political ideology, not civics. The fact is that the separation of power still exists, even today. Hallelujah.
Do we need to step up and vote for our liberties continually, yes. Do we need to hold politicians accountable, yes. Do we throw the baby out with the bath water? NO. :facepalm:
Separation of power does NOT exist, all are intertwined and all work for common agendas. Is that separated? Congress, Senate= Dem or Rep, President= Dem or Rep, Supreme court= Hand picked by dem or rep president??????? How can we when our government does not even need OUR votes? How can we hold them accountable when we can't do a thing? The fact is the baby all ready been thrown out the window, only keeping dirty crap water we stew in today!
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If you say separation of power doesn't exist, then this conversation is obviously over. It absolutely does exist. The founders wanted the Supreme Court to be appointed and serve for life. It was one of their checks and balances. Seperation of power has to do with what each branch of government is allowed to do. And frankly, today is a great example of exactly what the founders wanted. When ideologies were rampant and country was divided, the constitution worked to grind individual powers to a halt.
And, you do realize that the major parties need votes to maintain power right? The fact is that most people in this country choose to vote either D or R. That is their choice. They aren't forced to do so.
And in the history of this nation, parties have come and gone several times. You want another party, get the votes and support to supplant one of the others. The reform party almost did, but they reverted to their thuggish, fighting ways because they were full of people that didn't understand civics, and only understood about being angry.
You need viable alternatives that people can accept before the Ds and Rs are supplanted. I personally look forward to it, if it is right. I am not going to just rant and rave that we need a third party for the sake of having a third party. That will just allow for more opportunity for minority of electorate rule.
And, you do realize that the major parties need votes to maintain power right? The fact is that most people in this country choose to vote either D or R. That is their choice. They aren't forced to do so.
And in the history of this nation, parties have come and gone several times. You want another party, get the votes and support to supplant one of the others. The reform party almost did, but they reverted to their thuggish, fighting ways because they were full of people that didn't understand civics, and only understood about being angry.
You need viable alternatives that people can accept before the Ds and Rs are supplanted. I personally look forward to it, if it is right. I am not going to just rant and rave that we need a third party for the sake of having a third party. That will just allow for more opportunity for minority of electorate rule.
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Supreme court elected by D/R for their agendas??? And that is THE strongest checks and balances!! Individual powers of each party are more strong than anything else in the nation.flyingirish04 wrote:If you say separation of power doesn't exist, then this conversation is obviously over. It absolutely does exist. The founders wanted the Supreme Court to be appointed and serve for life. It was one of their checks and balances. Seperation of power has to do with what each branch of government is allowed to do. And frankly, today is a great example of exactly what the founders wanted. When ideologies were rampant and country was divided, the constitution worked to grind individual powers to a halt.
You could go vote for Ron or Romney either way doesn't matter, a select few vote, and oh yeah they are usually under Party agenda. George Washington warned the political parties could be the down fall of this nation, and wished to never have them.flyingirish04 wrote:And, you do realize that the major parties need votes to maintain power right? The fact is that most people in this country choose to vote either D or R. That is their choice. They aren't forced to do so.
flyingirish04 wrote:And in the history of this nation, parties have come and gone several times. You want another party, get the votes and support to supplant one of the others. The reform party almost did, but they reverted to their thuggish, fighting ways because they were full of people that didn't understand civics, and only understood about being angry.
Only few large parties have come and go, usually just re living other parties. Politicians stay in absolute power, become corrupt but never as bad as it is now.
Doesn't matter again eventually two bigger parties will eat the d's r's and then we are in the same situation. A infinite cycle with no breaks, as the parties corrupt more and more getting worse and worse to maintain policy and implement it. Third parties just make thing seem ever so less freighting but in reality doesn't mean a thing. I can't remember more than 1% vote for any third party . Parties are and will be the down fall of this nation. :facepalm:flyingirish04 wrote:You need viable alternatives that people can accept before the Ds and Rs are supplanted. I personally look forward to it, if it is right. I am not going to just rant and rave that we need a third party for the sake of having a third party. That will just allow for more opportunity for minority of electorate rule.
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Stop bein' lazy :p Separate your quotes out so we can follow who is saying what :p
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This is not the political section, please leave political commentary in the politics section.
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Sorry! My spellcheck didn't like it! :laugh: Thanks! :thumb:Rapier1772 wrote:Stop bein' lazy :p Separate your quotes out so we can follow who is saying what :p
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Sorry Fuzzy, I will stop my response. After the last post by Piston, I think it is clear that he isn't going to understand anything I say anyway. Sorry for the civics lesson.
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Political parties do need to be abolished! They are the reason that our Government is in the toilet with their heads buried deep.
As for seperation of powers ( Legislative, Judicial, and Executive) I've never seen an administration so eager or rampant on over stepping
the balances. Look at Obamas use over Presidential Overrides when Congress is out of D.C., Look at his berating of the Supreme Court just before
the vote on Healthcare
As for seperation of powers ( Legislative, Judicial, and Executive) I've never seen an administration so eager or rampant on over stepping
the balances. Look at Obamas use over Presidential Overrides when Congress is out of D.C., Look at his berating of the Supreme Court just before
the vote on Healthcare
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Sorry fuzz, but I have to respond to Toyslr:
False. Washington never said that they should either. He said Political parties may have evils associated with them, but they are necessary to the survival of the political process.
Political parties aren't the issue. People are the issue. You don't like the parties, you only have yourself to blame. You didn't do anything to change the party or offer an alternative to it.
It is not wrong to see fault with this president, he doesn't believe in the constitution. And I mean that literally, not is some nuanced uninformed way like I often see from both fringes. But the constitution is not at fault. The people are. This isn't a democracy, its a republic, you have to do more than just be angry and shout, you have to involve yourself in the process. It is a process that protects individuals over the mob, so be thankful change is slow.
False. Washington never said that they should either. He said Political parties may have evils associated with them, but they are necessary to the survival of the political process.
Political parties aren't the issue. People are the issue. You don't like the parties, you only have yourself to blame. You didn't do anything to change the party or offer an alternative to it.
It is not wrong to see fault with this president, he doesn't believe in the constitution. And I mean that literally, not is some nuanced uninformed way like I often see from both fringes. But the constitution is not at fault. The people are. This isn't a democracy, its a republic, you have to do more than just be angry and shout, you have to involve yourself in the process. It is a process that protects individuals over the mob, so be thankful change is slow.
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Political Parties are an ISSUE! Democrats are never goign to stand up and say a Republican has a good idea and vice versa! Its its not thought of, charted or designed by their party it will get bloakced or pushed to the side. There is NO bi-partisanship in our Government and it is what is killing our Country. If its not for hte good of the party of one of their party members, each will blast it to shreads.Political parties aren't the issue. People are the issue. You don't like the parties, you only have yourself to blame. You didn't do anything to change the party or offer an alternative to it.
I get involved, I don't vote political party lines EVER! I vote for who I think can and will do the job along with looking at their qualifications over who they aline themselves with.
I never blamed the Constitution! I blamed a President and a political system that seems to be making ways to work around the Constitution rather than using it as the law of the land. Mobs rule! Our Government will never listen to just one person. They will listen to a majority or a lobby that stands and speaks up for their situation. Change for what the good or the bad? Only thing I see changing in our Governemnt is bad! There are currently more millionaires setting in Congress than ever before. Why? Because they are watching and palying their votes to the highest bidder or actually investing in properties or business's that they hold the votes on. When did we as voters allow this?Its not wrong to see fault with this president, he doesn't believe in the constitution. And I mean that literally, not is some nuanced uninformed way like I often see from both fringes. But the constitution is not at fault. The people are. This isn't a democracy, its a republic, you have to do more than just be angry and shout, you have to involve yourself in the process. It is a process that protects individuals over the mob, so be thankful change is slow.
Opinions are opinions and once again apparently you think you know more about this than everyone else, so there is no need to reply to my posts. Your arrogance and condiscending replies do nothing for me
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Come on man. I was responding to a lot of misguided sentiment that whines that we are doomed no matter what. Sorry, not buying. Change is slow. Nothing of worth is every easy. Those are good things, not bad.
And yes, I do believe I know more about this than you. Sorry, if I didn't, I wouldn't argue. You believe the same about your stance. It isn't condescension if I think your argument absurd. It is thinking it is absurd.
Other than that, I think we need to take this to the political thread. No condescention intended... :p
And yes, I do believe I know more about this than you. Sorry, if I didn't, I wouldn't argue. You believe the same about your stance. It isn't condescension if I think your argument absurd. It is thinking it is absurd.
Other than that, I think we need to take this to the political thread. No condescention intended... :p
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:agree: Its pretty obvious why are nation is drowning in debt and politically! :thumb:toyslr wrote:Political parties do need to be abolished! They are the reason that our Government is in the toilet with their heads buried deep.
As for seperation of powers ( Legislative, Judicial, and Executive) I've never seen an administration so eager or rampant on over stepping
the balances. Look at Obamas use over Presidential Overrides when Congress is out of D.C., Look at his berating of the Supreme Court just before
the vote on Healthcare
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:laugh: Sorry for spell check but your using it as a good excuse to walk away! You honestly don't understand civicx, virtue or logic! :thumb: But you keep yelling your right anyways! :laugh:flyingirish04 wrote:Sorry Fuzzy, I will stop my response. After the last post by Piston, I think it is clear that he isn't going to understand anything I say anyway. Sorry for the civics lesson.
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Again what do you propose a revolution? Again I don't think many civilians own A10, abrams, F22's or anything that could prohibit the strongest military of all time, that oh yeah is loosely under the one of the most corrupt government of all time! :laugh: No their is a pre existing unmovable establishment of ruling bodies. The only thing that could up root that would probably be the entire nation, moving very very fast! Again you are extremely arrogant and do not know a thing on this subject, a very lethal combination sir! You think anything outside your nationalist propaganda is absurd. When your reject over and over a given or known reality it is insanity, so really refuting this make YOU insane! But if you have to :suicide: over and over again the political section might be more appropriate. :thumb:flyingirish04 wrote:Come on man. I was responding to a lot of misguided sentiment that whines that we are doomed no matter what. Sorry, not buying. Change is slow. Nothing of worth is every easy. Those are good things, not bad.
And yes, I do believe I know more about this than you. Sorry, if I didn't, I wouldn't argue. You believe the same about your stance. It isn't condescension if I think your argument absurd. It is thinking it is absurd.
Other than that, I think we need to take this to the political thread. No condescention intended... :p
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Thread Split coming.f3rr37 wrote:This is not the political section, please leave political commentary in the politics section.
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Guys... if you want to debate politics, take it to the political section. All you have to do is create a new topic In the politics section and link to it from the old topic. If/when I have time (or a mod is feeling ambitious) we may attempt to split this thread and reopen both.
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