Anyone know where I might find a case gauge?

BRAD3000 · Post by **BRAD3000** » 02 Jun 2010, 21:28

The kind of gauge I refer to is the drop-in type thats available for most calibers.
Its sometimes used with a razor blade to check a round's depth & proper sizing.

TIA
\Brad

Post by **panzermk2** » 03 Jun 2010, 08:14

No and it is just another thing on our back burner. I will look at moving that project to the front.

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 03 Jun 2010, 16:43

That would be great!!!

BRAD3000 · Post by **BRAD3000** » 03 Jun 2010, 20:04

That would be great - I would be willing to pay for & test any protype!

:-)
Brad

The Keymaster · Post by **The Keymaster** » 03 Jun 2010, 21:58

I'm in also.

tparty · Post by **tparty** » 04 Jun 2010, 15:58

+1 Count me in

Post by **blueorison** » 04 Jun 2010, 22:16

YEAH ME TOO I'M IN

wait

What are we buying again? I just saw EA on the page so I went with it.
:p

(man I hadn't trolled in so long, it feels so nostalgic)

kalikraven · Post by **kalikraven** » 25 Jun 2010, 00:39

Does'nt Hornady's trim die serve the same purpose? I have one and it's a little tight. The rounds do not drop in like my other case gauges but it works.

evileye · Post by **evileye** » 25 Jun 2010, 07:49

I want one also

evileye

Post by **panzermk2** » 25 Jun 2010, 13:55

Waiting on the custom reamer.

MikeS · Post by **MikeS** » 16 Jul 2010, 17:56

panzermk2 wrote:No and it is just another thing on our back burner. I will look at moving that project to the front.

Please do

Post by **panzermk2** » 16 Jul 2010, 20:44

Still waiting on the reamer.

ridesdirt · Post by **ridesdirt** » 26 Sep 2010, 13:30

any update on the reamer?

Post by **panzermk2** » 26 Sep 2010, 21:05

No still waiting.

ridesdirt · Post by **ridesdirt** » 28 Sep 2010, 16:48

Count me in for one if the project comes together.

Thanks,

mallc · Post by **mallc** » 09 Oct 2010, 12:12

I had two made earlier this year. They were $60 or so. It took them 8 months but... I'd sell one if anyone is interested.

Scott

skyweasel · Post by **skyweasel** » 09 Nov 2010, 11:42

Yes, I have and it was a pain in the ass. I use the Hornady OAL guage. Step one is to buy the 22 hornet modified case since it comes with an adapter. Step 2 is to measure the threads wrong and drill 4 to 5 cases wondering why your 10-32 tap won't work. Step 3 is to measure it right and try to find a local supplier of 12-32 UNEF taps. Step 4 is to wait 3 weeks for Tacoma Screw to meet a minium order requirement to get you your 12-32 tap. Step 5 is to drill the case with a number 13 drillbit and hopefully stay centered. Step 6 Congrads to yourself for doing it. Step 7 Amaze yourself at just how far the bullet jumps to hit the lands.
I'll try to get pics up later tonight.

Post by **panzermk2** » 09 Nov 2010, 12:48

We are taking orders now,

http://www.eliteammunition.net/catalog/ ... 375654.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

eszyman · Post by **eszyman** » 21 Nov 2010, 10:28

Ack! Had no idea this was ready (to order), I'm in thanks!

eszyman · Post by **eszyman** » 05 Jan 2011, 16:04

I hate to bug, but we are well past December 4th, any word on these?

Post by **panzermk2** » 05 Jan 2011, 23:42

Yes and I have been posting updates. It is taking twice as long to ream each gauge then was expected. I am will checking the first batch of production gauges later this week. As part of the process I will be making chamber casts with cerrosafe just to make sure they are all in spec.
this will take at least another week since these are the first batch and I want to make sure there are no issues with production.

kos1966 · Post by **kos1966** » 09 Jan 2011, 16:04

Sizing guages are available at midway usa by lee

iFire · Post by **iFire** » 09 Jan 2011, 16:59

kos1966 wrote:Sizing guages are available at midway usa by lee

Is this what your talking about?

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?p ... ber=266946" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't believe that's what's being discussed here. There talking about a drop in headspace gauge...

kos1966 · Post by **kos1966** » 09 Jan 2011, 17:22

yes that is it and and I guess i misunderstood looked at the link earlier and there was no item so i presumed it was a sizing guage like this

eszyman · Post by **eszyman** » 10 Jan 2011, 05:34

Cool. Production always takes longer then expected, I'm a realist on these delays.
Thanks for the update, looking forward to having one of these!

ridesdirt · Post by **ridesdirt** » 15 Jan 2011, 12:46

ordered mine today!

MosesMcgregor · Post by **MosesMcgregor** » 18 Jan 2011, 15:14

dsv424 · Post by **dsv424** » 07 Feb 2011, 16:06

Not sure if this would be the same as a case gauge but I have been using my five seven barrel to check my reloads. Would this suffice as gauge or is there something else a regular case guage provides?

Post by **blueorison** » 07 Feb 2011, 16:11

dsv424 wrote:Not sure if this would be the same as a case gauge but I have been using my five seven barrel to check my reloads. Would this suffice as gauge or is there something else a regular case guage provides?

the offset and chamber tolerances are always looser than the gauge's. You're basically using a dangerous "rule of thumb" and playing with risks with high pressure cartridges.

iFire · Post by **iFire** » 07 Feb 2011, 17:14

dsv424 wrote:Not sure if this would be the same as a case gauge but I have been using my five seven barrel to check my reloads. Would this suffice as gauge or is there something else a regular case guage provides?

It is not the same. However, if you dont have a case guage yet, your doing the right thing...

Using the barrel to check your loads will, at minimum, help you identify any of your loads that may have a "bulge" in the case neck that can occur from time to time if you dont have everything set up just right. So keep doing what your doing, it will definitely help prevent a malfunction that could occur if you had a bulged case neck...

If you are using your FsN barrel, you can also (if you have a set of calipers with a large enough span) measure from the muzzle of the barrel to the end of the case when its inserted into the barrel. That way you can compare it to factory rounds to make sure your resizing die is pushing the shoulder back far enough (or too far) (Guys with just a PS90 cant do this with their barrel)

When Elite comes out with their case guage though, I would DEFINITELY recommend getting it, for several reasons...

First, It will have minimum tolerances, and will help you identify sizing issues with your loads that your barrel couldnt.

Second, You will be able to check the headspace of brass so much faster than you can by placing the loaded round into the chamber and then using calipers. It is a real time saver.

Third, the gauge will help you check your trim length at a glance, again, no measuring with calipers.

Last, I would/do check EVERY LOAD in the case gauge that i plan on using for any self defense/crucial situation...

Overall, I have several case gauges, and they make loading so much easier, and more accurate...

Hope this helps...

dsv424 · Post by **dsv424** » 08 Feb 2011, 08:23

Forest Fire, thanks so much for the very informative response to my query. I think Elite has the guage available now so I'll go ahead and order one. In addition, I have another question regarding this. When the cartridge does not easily drop into the barrel(because of slight shoulder bulge) I use my resizing die(pin removed of course) to reset the shoulder and then re-check it in the barrel. Would this be an acceptable fix or should I dis-assemble these cartridges and start over with them?

Post by **panzermk2** » 08 Feb 2011, 09:44

Either one will beat up the neck and shoulder increasing the odds of a neck separation.

dsv424 · Post by **dsv424** » 08 Feb 2011, 13:56

So, is there a proper way of getting the shoulder back to spec without a potential neck separation?

Post by **panzermk2** » 08 Feb 2011, 19:05

Once you have loaded it, nothing. The more you work and the more you over work the neck the odds of a neck separation are greatly increased.

Take your time setting up your dies and learn that in this process a few cases here and there end up in the scrap bucket.

dsv424 · Post by **dsv424** » 09 Feb 2011, 10:08

Thanks for the info panzer. Didn't realize the damage that is incurred when re-adjusting the shoulder back to spec. I use Lee dies and I have tried to adjust my seating/crimp die in the past for a bit more crimp but each time I attempt this it bulges the shoulder. I wish Lee made a FCD for 5.7x28mm. I think I read somewhere on this forum where someone modified a Lee die for crimping. Thanks again for your advise. Its most appreciated.

iFire · Post by **iFire** » 09 Feb 2011, 22:15

I would never trust a bulged neck that has been resized on a full power load.. Just throw it out as Panzermk2 said...

However, I will tell you what I currently do (because I do not yet (but hopefully will soon) have an EA case gauge in hand)

In my dillon, i have the forth station set up with an extra sizing die, set very shallow... The fully loaded round, after leaving station three, gets the shoulder pushed up 3/16" into the sizer, guaranteeing that no round will leave the loader with a bulged neck...

Having said this, I ran 400 initial rounds through my loader when I set it up without the sizer in station 4, and had zero buldged necks after calipering almost half of them... So even though I have it set up really well, the extra insurance that no rounds will have a buldged neck is nice...

The rounds I load in the dillon are moderate charges only though...

Again, I would not ever trust a full power round, in a crucial situation, that has had the neck resized because it was bulged. A separation would ruin your day...

dsv424 · Post by **dsv424** » 10 Feb 2011, 13:25

I like that idea of using the 4th station to resize the final cartridge. Might give that a try. I already have an extra set of dies for 5.7. BTW, I have never gone beyond past mid-range on my loads and have been happy with the performance. I just hate the idea of tossing virgin brass just because of a slightly bulged shoulder. But I guess I would hate it more to damage my five seven pistol or my AR-57.

ridesdirt · Post by **ridesdirt** » 26 Feb 2011, 19:12

have these started shipping yet?

Post by **Esteves** » 26 Feb 2011, 21:34

Updated on the 23rd: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10058" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

iFire · Post by **iFire** » 20 Jun 2011, 14:54

Review of the EA Case Gauge:

I own several other case gauges in various other calibers... I have always known their usefullness in helping to create a cartridge that is 'within spec'. Until EA released their case gauge most of us reloaders of the 5.7x28 were left out in the 'dark' when it came to proper resizing and QC measures for these cartridge cases. I have posted before to the forum many steps that can be taken to 'get by' without a case gauge and still create a successful round. While those measures do work well - I must say that now that I have gotten the EA case gauge, I would never look back...

It is fast and easy to test both your brass and your loaded rounds for proper sizing and chambering ability.

Amidst all my experience and measures to produce 'perfect rounds' I must admit that upon receving the EA case gauge i ran around 300 of my 'perfect' loads through the gauge. All 300 fit inside the gauge flush - but 2 were really sticky. They did not easily 'pop back out' of the gauge. Upon detailed inspection, I found that both of these cases had 'rough' areas on the very end of the neck that outside chamfering did not seam to fix. While I would imagine that these rounds would have more than likely still chambered and fired, It is safe to say that the extra amount of resistance may have caused higher pressure and that "could" potentially lead to a fail to eject situation or even possibly a lost primer.

I have loaded and tested more 5.7x28 rounds than just about anyone, anywhere... So, I have the experience to tell you that If anyone out there wants to reload the 5.7 round successfully and lower their chances of serious problems, GET THE EA CASE GAUGE!

I am not generally one for giving reviews, but when something deserves 'props' as they say - I feel i should give it :thumb:

VeTTeMaNC486 · Post by **VeTTeMaNC486** » 20 Jun 2011, 15:58

iFire wrote:Review of the EA Case Gauge:

I own several other case gauges in various other calibers... I have always known their usefullness in helping to create a cartridge that is 'within spec'. Until EA released their case gauge most of us reloaders of the 5.7x28 were left out in the 'dark' when it came to proper resizing and QC measures for these cartridge cases. I have posted before to the forum many steps that can be taken to 'get by' without a case gauge and still create a successful round. While those measures do work well - I must say that now that I have gotten the EA case gauge, I would never look back...

It is fast and easy to test both your brass and your loaded rounds for proper sizing and chambering ability.

Amidst all my experience and measures to produce 'perfect rounds' I must admit that upon receving the EA case gauge i ran around 300 of my 'perfect' loads through the gauge. All 300 fit inside the gauge flush - but 2 were really sticky. They did not easily 'pop back out' of the gauge. Upon detailed inspection, I found that both of these cases had 'rough' areas on the very end of the neck that outside chamfering did not seam to fix. While I would imagine that these rounds would have more than likely still chambered and fired, It is safe to say that the extra amount of resistance may have caused higher pressure and that "could" potentially lead to a fail to eject situation or even possibly a lost primer.

I have loaded and tested more 5.7x28 rounds than just about anyone, anywhere... So, I have the experience to tell you that If anyone out there wants to reload the 5.7 round successfully and lower their chances of serious problems, GET THE EA CASE GAUGE!

I am not generally one for giving reviews, but when something deserves 'props' as they say - I feel i should give it :thumb:

Ordered one today, along with a bunch of ps90 magazine springs

Post by **panzermk2** » 20 Jun 2011, 23:11

Wow thank you for the review. Cool the way we had our logo laser etched isn't it?

VeTTeMaNC486 · Post by **VeTTeMaNC486** » 20 Jun 2011, 23:25

I'm looking forward to getting mine so I can see how much I need to have removed from my shell plate, I know my shoulders are not in spec just by visual inspection. I have tried to measure it by removing my reciever and dropping a factory round in and a reload but it didnt work out like I had wanted it to.

iFire · Post by **iFire** » 21 Jun 2011, 06:51

panzermk2 wrote:Wow thank you for the review. Cool the way we had our logo laser etched isn't it?

The logo looks really nice - the gauge now has a permanent 'display spot' on my bench :thumb:

rlex · Post by **rlex** » 24 Jun 2011, 17:13

I have one - great for the reloading process

Gearhead721 · Post by **Gearhead721** » 29 Sep 2011, 17:54

anyone make a case gage? If not, wata ya use? the ole ker-plunk when dropped in the barrel/chamber?

PainKillaX · Post by **PainKillaX** » 29 Sep 2011, 18:09

Elite Ammunition does.

http://www.eliteammunition.net/catalog/ ... 375618.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ColsPaul · Post by **ColsPaul** » 23 Jul 2012, 18:36

for the 5.7 X 28?
Elite Ammo had one on there site
a go/no gauge
But it is no longer available.

Anyone handy enough to bore one for me?

Using my barrel now, and I know it should be tighter.

I hate to have another ka boom,

Post by **Rapier1772** » 23 Jul 2012, 19:00

Another kb?

Sorry, EA is only place I knew who made them. Who said it was no longer available?

I see backorders not accepted & there is no "add to cart" button... wth?
I'd recommend sending EA a PM & see if they are still making them/going to make another run of them. Might just be website glitch.

Post by **panzermk2** » 23 Jul 2012, 22:39

Website is screwed up, we have them, 100s of them in stock and ready to go. I will get the sight fixed.

ColsPaul · Post by **ColsPaul** » 26 Jul 2012, 00:26

Thanks guys.
I placed my order

ColsPaul · Post by **ColsPaul** » 06 Aug 2012, 12:56

Thanks Guys
Got the gauge from Elite
and been using it all weekend.
Tighter than my pistol
Factory loads drop in ( of course )
I had some reloads that required a little push
But will drop into the gun.

Thanks again

Post by **panzermk2** » 06 Aug 2012, 13:00

ColsPaul wrote:Thanks Guys
Got the gauge from Elite
and been using it all weekend.
Tighter than my pistol
Factory loads drop in ( of course )
I had some reloads that required a little push
But will drop into the gun.

Thanks again

Your welcome.

Ohio1 · Post by **Ohio1** » 22 Sep 2012, 11:52

How do you order a case guage on the Elite Ammunition web site? I see the guage, but can't put it in the shopping cart?

Steve

Post by **Rapier1772** » 22 Sep 2012, 12:30

Panzer, your website is messing up again!

Ohio, there is normally an "add item to cart" button off to the right. Dunno why but sometimes the button likes to hide itself. They'll fix it, thanks for letting us know.

Post by **panzermk2** » 22 Sep 2012, 23:07

When we run out of them on the shelf the add cart button automatically goes away. We are running a new batch of them currently.

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