ss195 vs 197 ?

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ss195 vs 197 ?

Post by samich » 09 Oct 2008, 10:30

it will be my first time buying ammo, my gun store can get 195 and 197 for about 22.00 , which round should I get , the best performance and most accurate is what im after , and I also know about elite ammo , I will get some of that only for home def .. because I cant afford to plink with elite ammo . oh I have a five-seven . thanks in advance

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Re: ss195 vs 197 ?

Post by Wollychop » 09 Oct 2008, 10:40

Nothing wrong with either really. I've found the 195 to be more accurate out a bit further, and some folks have concerns about the life of the lead-free primers, but if you want some good range ammo it sure isn't bad.

the 197 will expand and fragment, whereas the 195 has yaw characteristics. The 197 is also a lead core ballistic tip, and the 195 is aluminum, so that might be a factor if your range limits the type of ammo you can use.

Both shoot just fine though!

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Re: ss195 vs 197 ?

Post by jmz5 » 09 Oct 2008, 10:56

If you are just shooting paper, it doesn't really matter which one you get. I plink with 195 and 197 and my own reloads, I leave the serious work to EA rounds.
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Re: ss195 vs 197 ?

Post by samich » 09 Oct 2008, 11:11

ok sounds good

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Re: ss195 vs 197 ?

Post by Grantness » 09 Oct 2008, 12:46

get the SS195. They will be better for self-defense. Their accuracy is pretty much on par with SS197, and they shoot flatter and faster out to longer distances. SS195 edges out the 197 in muzzle energy too (if you care about that stuff). SS195 will penetrate hard targets (cars/doors/windshields/dry wall) better than SS197. I also like the fact that it tumbles, which makes it rather unique compared to other pistol rounds.

And FYI, you will need to adjust your sights when switching between 195 and 197. 197 shoots about ~8-9 inches lower at 25 yards.

The only thing I would use 197 for is varmint/pest shooting or possibly if you were concerned about stray bullets passing through walls and hitting someone. 195 is likely to pass all the way through tiny critters, wasting lots of energy. 197 expands reliably even on thinner targets.

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Re: ss195 vs 197 ?

Post by 5Jeffro7 » 09 Oct 2008, 18:10

samich wrote:..... because I cant afford to plink with elite ammo.....
I would like to preface my comment about the above statement by saying that at no time in any of these forums do I comment simply to flame someone else (unless in fun), so please don't take what I'm saying personally or as an attack:

I've always been a firm believer that oonne should "practice" with what they intend on carrying for self defense. Think of it this way (although this example is exaggerated quite a bit, its still the same principle): why practice playing baseball if you want to become good at football? if you get used to a certain round while either plinking or practicing, chances are that a different round may not behave the same (recoil, trajectory path, etc), therefore, may not perform 100% as intended when its REALLY needed (as in the case of self defense).

It might be that you can't afford NOTto plink with elite.

Just food for thought

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Re: ss195 vs 197 ?

Post by murphies_finest » 09 Oct 2008, 19:07

yeah I would practice with some elite ammo but if your just going out to shoot why not just use the factory ammo
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Re: ss195 vs 197 ?

Post by f3rr37 » 09 Oct 2008, 20:08

Shoot a few hundred rounds to make sure it functions properly and so you can adjust your sights to your carry ammo.

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Re: ss195 vs 197 ?

Post by imageseekr » 09 Oct 2008, 20:28

My advise. Buy 5 boxes of each. Shoot them both and see which one you like. You will probably find that they shoot similar enough to each other that there is very little if any functional differences. Then use the SS195 for personal defense since that is what that round is primarily designed for. My .02 cents.

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Re: ss195 vs 197 ?

Post by samich » 09 Oct 2008, 21:39

thanks everyone for your input

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Re: ss195 vs 197 ?

Post by Mephis » 19 Oct 2008, 17:02

Is there even a point in buying the SS197 if you're not varmint hunting?

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Re: ss195 vs 197 ?

Post by Wollychop » 19 Oct 2008, 17:05

Sure. It's not bad ammo and its still quite accurate!

Some folks like leaded primers since they're worried about storage life.

There is nothing wrong with it, it's just not "all that it could be".

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Re: ss195 vs 197 ?

Post by easy610 » 19 Oct 2008, 18:17

I generally like a heavier bullet....so I stocked up on SS197 when I got my PS. I understand they both have their pros and cons....

Waiting on an order of 500 rds of S4...will sight in with S4 when I get it and load it, but if I goto a carbine match I'll likely re-zero again the day before and use the SS197..cheaper and all I'm doing at that point is poking holes in cardboard....

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Re: ss195 vs 197 ?

Post by Ruggles » 24 Nov 2008, 19:46

With the recent political directions I have stocked up on SS197. Why is simple, there is doubt/debate about the shelf life of SS195 but I have not see/heard the same about SS197. Is there any truth to it, I have no ideal but I really see the little 5.7x28mm becoming a victim of the new group in D.C. and I want to stock up now while I can. SS197 seem to be a stronger long term bet.

That aside I prefer the SS195 for the reason listed above. In truth I am not sure there is a whole lot of difference in defense performance. As always shot placement is king and projectile is secondary in importance.

I think the advice given above is best, buy and try both and see which you prefer.

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Re: ss195 vs 197 ?

Post by fzr confused » 27 Nov 2008, 04:40

yes, the 197 will outlast the 195 sitting on the shelf but it still takes many years for a 195 to go bad. the problem is the lead free primer in the 195.

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Re: ss195 vs 197 ?

Post by Rapier1772 » 27 Nov 2008, 06:47

It may take years for it to go bad but how do you know how long its been sitting on the shelf at the store or at a warehouse before it even made it that far
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Re: ss195 vs 197 ?

Post by tdevince » 27 Nov 2008, 06:54

Rapier1772 wrote:It may take years for it to go bad but how do you know how long its been sitting on the shelf at the store or at a warehouse before it even made it that far
The head stamp on the ammo typically has the year on it and could be used for a rough idea.

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Re: ss195 vs 197 ?

Post by Grit » 27 Nov 2008, 08:01

Medula Oblongata wrote:
I have several thousand rounds of SS195 that were completely unreliable after only 18 months in my posession...
Wow, something to definitely think about.

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Re: ss195 vs 197 ?

Post by fzr confused » 28 Nov 2008, 05:43

Medula Oblongata wrote:I have several thousand rounds of SS195 that were completely unreliable after only 18 months in my posession...
i didnt realize it could happen THAT fast :(...guess it really does depend on a lot of things....good thing the only 195's i plan to stock up on (when money isnt so tight again) are not turds and redone by you all b :monkey: . i have about 1000 195's right now and about 2000 in 197's. i will be sure to shoot mostly 195's.

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