FiveseveN Failure to Eject

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Re: FiveseveN Failure to Eject

Post by f3rr37 » 29 Jul 2010, 09:40

Don't worry, they're fighting back... one round at a time.

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Re: FiveseveN Failure to Eject

Post by Rapier1772 » 29 Jul 2010, 09:44

f3rr37 wrote:Don't worry, they're fighting back... one round at a time.
Votes would be more effective at this point. But the rounds may come in very handy later
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Post by panzermk2 » 29 Jul 2010, 10:16

SeaHawkDriver-B wrote:Illinois! Land of Obama... oh joy!

King Richard has done more damage locally. Bama never served a full term in the Senate so he wasn't here long enough to [email protected] the place up like he is doing to the country right now.
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Post by blueorison » 29 Jul 2010, 12:05

Just talked to a chick coming to Texas and wants to join the UTRP team. She's from Illinois and we chatted for an hour or so, I derived that Illinois was pretty much CA all over again; apparently the people there are really grouchy, also. :D

Hope you get it fixed, sir! Another testament of EA's custo... uhh well you weren't even a customer hahaha

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Re: FiveseveN Failure to Eject

Post by SeaHawkDriver-B » 31 Jul 2010, 13:56

Update.

Well it appears the "Jarvis Fix" has worked. After thoroughly soaking all moving parts in CLP, including a light spraying of CLP on the bullets, the feed ramp, and the chamber, I loaded up the mag with just one round. Fired 10 rounds through the gun with a single round. All successfully ejected. Loaded the gun up with 5 rounds, hit it with a shot of CLP, and it successfully cycled 5 more rounds without a FTF. Then I loaded up 10 rounds and repeated... loaded up 15 rounds and repeated.... 20 rounds and repeated. Didn't have a single FTF or FTE the whole time.

Unforutnatley I didn't bring enough bullets to see where the "threshold" may be.... loading the 30rd up to capacity might be a problem. I will have to do further testing to see if thats the case.

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Post by Rapier1772 » 31 Jul 2010, 14:07

glad you got it working :thumb:
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Re: FiveseveN Failure to Eject

Post by panzermk2 » 31 Jul 2010, 21:31

Pretty scary you have to bathe the gun and ammo in lube to get it to work.
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Re: FiveseveN Failure to Eject

Post by IncVoid » 02 Aug 2010, 16:33

Hello SeaHawk. I'm new to gun forums. I bought my FiveSeven on November 7th, '08. from Outdoor sportsman here in Stockton, California.
Maybe Put 90 rnds if not 140 rnds through it.
I have only thrown away 2 or 3 empty boxes over the last 2 years.

I get failure to extract problems in the factory barrel, unless I lube up the casings with silicone based lube.
Some casings fly 7 feet away (the 40 grain ss197sr) when well lubed.
Others feel like they just fall out going only 2-3 feet. (Probably the 27 grain ss195lf)

I haven't cleaned my gun with any solvents or anything other then dry cleaning with the little cleaning kit that came with it.
Think I should just keep trying to "break" the barrel in still? With or without lube? Get actual gun lube?
The silicone stuff just keeps like drying up after a few days. I would lube them up and next day or day after shoot a couple rounds.

The last few days it did FTE. late at night only have one round in the chamber, empty mag, pulled trigger no case ejection, the "empty mag stay open" lever didn't hold the slide open either.

I noticed last time I took apart the slide and putting the extraction arm back on that pushing it down by hand sometimes the spring appeared to catch on its slot it rides in sandwiched between the slide and the arm. Maybe my extraction arm isn't allowing the casing to extract and the extraction pin is stopping the slide from traveling back all the way, which is why the slide didn't lock open from the empty mag?

1.5 hours after the single round fte I fired the heavier bullets(ss197sr) and got about 3 jams. Mostly new bullets failing to enter.
Relubed the casings of all the rounds going in the mag. Had no jams but I only fired 4 rounds. 3 ss197sr's and 1 ss195lf.

I know this is all inconsistant firing practice shooting only a few at a time. etc.
Would some very fine sandpaper taken to the chamber help or is that a big no no?
Best taken to my local gunshop so they can polish the chamber for me and that will solve it?

The first question I should have asked is: Why get a second barrel for the FiveSeven? Longer?
I'm a total gun noob especially out here in california. A quick google shows threaded jarvis barrel. Flash hiders probably illegal in california on a hand gun. I don't even bother thinking about it. But I'll keep it in mind the next time I pickup a box of five seven ammo.

Last box ran me 23.99$ of ss195lf

Sorry for no having anything to contribute to your problem.
if it helps the last box of ss195lf is LOT: FNB09J910-005
My new box of ss196sr is just stamped 1007969020 on the inside top cover.
probably just an unclean barrel more than the ammo.

Well any help and post criticsm is much appreciated. thanks.

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Re: FiveseveN Failure to Eject

Post by SeaHawkDriver-B » 03 Aug 2010, 09:30

It seems to me that the FiveseveN has some FTE/FTF problems unless it has been properly lubricated and/or broken-in. Obvoiusly some guns have this issue, and other do not. AND, some guns only manifest this issue when you change things, like using ProMag magazines, different rate mag springs, or while using the +10 extension baseplates.

It can reasonably assumed that several variables are at play here.

I got the Jarvis barrel becusae it was a one-piece threaded barrel that I needed for my suppressor. Apparently there is another option now (which i did not know about at the time) where Tornado technologies can weld an additional length onto the factory barrel and thread it as such.... Personally i've looked at the Jarvis barrel and the machining is fantastic, maybe even superior to the factory setup, so I won't waste any time wondering if the Tornoado-Tech was a better choice. Personally, I like having multiple barrels for the gun, both for longevity and interchangability.

I'm going to give my gun a thoroughly cleaning, lube it up well, and cycle 300 rounds through it this weekend. Give it another cleaning, and hopefully it should work flawlessly from now on.

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Post by panzermk2 » 03 Aug 2010, 14:18

Or you might try polishing your chamber.
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Post by blueorison » 05 Aug 2010, 00:35

I second Jay's opinion.

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Re: FiveseveN Failure to Eject

Post by Never Enough » 25 Aug 2010, 14:43

Weak magazine springs= Extraction issues funny but true

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Post by IncVoid » 08 Sep 2010, 23:35

I fired about 40 rounds since. But lubed with silicone lube. Basically ky jelly. I figure its none combustible. Should be safe.
Works great.

On a big side note. Here in stockton just tonight I talked to some sheriffs. Asked about open carry which just went up to vote to be banned. Its very sad. The sheriffs pretty much said that I'd be put down on my face every time they saw me open carrying. Also that I'd make myself a robbery target for open carrying.

I was at a friends. Saw some body pulled over. After they finished I approached them and asked if I could ask questions. They asked if I had weapons. Blah blah. Did warrent check asked their opinion on open carry. They basically said I was just making myself a target. Which I agree with. But the only sad thing is one said he wish my gun was melted down. Saying five sevens are basically being .223's in a handgun. Getting around it. I've talked to my friend I realize inner city open carrying is kinda risky. Its just sad they want MY handgun out of my possession. I dunno what to say. After they warrant checked me and gave me back my cell and ammo I walked back to my friends. I left my actual hand gun in my backpack at my friends. They said it was strange approaching them with magazines. I said I was just seperating my handgun from my ammo. Its just sad they don't want my gun at my side. With signs advertising the number of murders in stockton, california I wish they'd encourage me to carry, at least in residence. Just an eerie feeling. They said the 5.7mm would go through their vest, which scares me. I thought the ss197 and ss196 was specifically loaded NOT to go through. But oh well. Thanks for listening to me.

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Post by blueorison » 09 Sep 2010, 00:50

IncVoid wrote:I fired about 40 rounds since. But lubed with silicone lube. Basically ky jelly. I figure its none combustible. Should be safe.
Works great.

On a big side note. Here in stockton just tonight I talked to some sheriffs. Asked about open carry which just went up to vote to be banned. Its very sad. The sheriffs pretty much said that I'd be put down on my face every time they saw me open carrying. Also that I'd make myself a robbery target for open carrying.

I was at a friends. Saw some body pulled over. After they finished I approached them and asked if I could ask questions. They asked if I had weapons. Blah blah. Did warrent check asked their opinion on open carry. They basically said I was just making myself a target. Which I agree with. But the only sad thing is one said he wish my gun was melted down. Saying five sevens are basically being .223's in a handgun. Getting around it. I've talked to my friend I realize inner city open carrying is kinda risky. Its just sad they want MY handgun out of my possession. I dunno what to say. After they warrant checked me and gave me back my cell and ammo I walked back to my friends. I left my actual hand gun in my backpack at my friends. They said it was strange approaching them with magazines. I said I was just seperating my handgun from my ammo. Its just sad they don't want my gun at my side. With signs advertising the number of murders in stockton, california I wish they'd encourage me to carry, at least in residence. Just an eerie feeling. They said the 5.7mm would go through their vest, which scares me. I thought the ss197 and ss196 was specifically loaded NOT to go through. But oh well. Thanks for listening to me.

Good but somber post, sir.

They thought you had ss190's, they were uninformed, on both fronts of the pistol and what ammunition you did or did not have.

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Re: FiveseveN Failure to Eject

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IncVoid wrote:After they finished I approached them and asked if I could ask questions. They asked if I had weapons. Blah blah. Did warrent check asked their opinion on open carry.
They seriously asked you all of that and then ran your info? I would have just walked away at that point.

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Re: FiveseveN Failure to Eject

Post by fd57 » 09 Sep 2010, 10:50

Always remember "Am I free to go?" (AIFTG).

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Re: FiveseveN Failure to Eject

Post by IncVoid » 09 Sep 2010, 22:44

Yeah... They kinda looked at me strange, asking why I walked up to them with ammo in pocket...cause I seperated my ammo from my gun which in my lock box at my friends a few houses down from where they pulled a car over. I realize they aren't lawyers, but they are the ones doing the "charging".

Oh well. But I will keep the "Am I free to go" in my mind from now on.

They said they aren't common handguns. I said that is why I got it. I said I've only seen one, they said one too many. lol. SUV sheriff came. said something about "sarge" saying it was going up for ban soon. I know I'm going to try to get my brother to get one in November when I get the money. If he doesn't want it, I'm getting a second one. On another side note. I'm also carrying those big heavy rubber weighted trainers. I figure it'll look like i'm carrying, feel like it, without actually carrying. I figure its practice. How does one plan a direct route to a friends house carrying unloaded in locked container, and avoid parks and school zones...lol. Oh well.

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IncVoid wrote:Yeah... They kinda looked at me strange, asking why I walked up to them with ammo in pocket...cause I seperated my ammo from my gun which in my lock box at my friends a few houses down from where they pulled a car over. I realize they aren't lawyers, but they are the ones doing the "charging".

Oh well. But I will keep the "Am I free to go" in my mind from now on.

They said they aren't common handguns. I said that is why I got it. I said I've only seen one, they said one too many. lol. SUV sheriff came. said something about "sarge" saying it was going up for ban soon. I know I'm going to try to get my brother to get one in November when I get the money. If he doesn't want it, I'm getting a second one. On another side note. I'm also carrying those big heavy rubber weighted trainers. I figure it'll look like i'm carrying, feel like it, without actually carrying. I figure its practice. How does one plan a direct route to a friends house carrying unloaded in locked container, and avoid parks and school zones...lol. Oh well.

Those darn trainers are so darn expensive. It's just a stupid block of plastic. I figure they maybe carve some out by hand/dremmel.

I would love a second FsN to trick out with a colour code.
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