Follow up shot times with the FsN, aka, why I like it.
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Follow up shot times with the FsN, aka, why I like it.
I don't have the times on hand but, I can recall the percentages so I'll lay them out for you.
This test was a 10 shot fast fire time test to see what firearm I could put 10 good shots down range the fastest with. Essentially just to show which I can get follow up shots back on target with the easiest and fastest. Target was an NRA fas fire target placed at 25 meters. Best of five, any time with a score less than 90 was thrown out. All ammo was standard duty ammo which is a fairly large manufacturer, virgin brass. 9mm is +P 124gr gold dot loaded to 1300fps, .357Sig is 125gr gold dot loaded to 1500fps, .40SW is 185gr gold dot loaded to 1100fps.
FsN-Baseline
Taurus Pt92 +9%
Glock 17 +18%
G35 in .40SW +26%
XD40 +30%
G35 in .357Sig +60%
I had put about 500 rounds through my FsN, about 100 that day and had just installed the new storm lake barrel in my G35 that day with only about 40 rounds through it total. From more recent sessions at the range with it, I'm sure I've brought that down to within 40% of the FsN.
This test was a 10 shot fast fire time test to see what firearm I could put 10 good shots down range the fastest with. Essentially just to show which I can get follow up shots back on target with the easiest and fastest. Target was an NRA fas fire target placed at 25 meters. Best of five, any time with a score less than 90 was thrown out. All ammo was standard duty ammo which is a fairly large manufacturer, virgin brass. 9mm is +P 124gr gold dot loaded to 1300fps, .357Sig is 125gr gold dot loaded to 1500fps, .40SW is 185gr gold dot loaded to 1100fps.
FsN-Baseline
Taurus Pt92 +9%
Glock 17 +18%
G35 in .40SW +26%
XD40 +30%
G35 in .357Sig +60%
I had put about 500 rounds through my FsN, about 100 that day and had just installed the new storm lake barrel in my G35 that day with only about 40 rounds through it total. From more recent sessions at the range with it, I'm sure I've brought that down to within 40% of the FsN.
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Have you shot the Glock 33? How does it compare to the 35 in terms of accuracy and recoil?
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The baby glock are amazingly tame for their size. My 29 (10mm) doesn't pound that hard at all. I am about 5'11" and 210 lbs, so not the biggest of guys, and I have zero problem with my little cannon.
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On the old site, there was always one little question, "WHERE'S THE PICTURES?"
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Yeah, I remember these. Great shooting, thanks for re-posting them.
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I know its off topic, but which of the baby glocks would have the best chance against a bear? 10mm or 357sig (medium sized black bear that is...)?
I guess my question is which baby glock has the most power yet is able to deliver fast followups?
I guess my question is which baby glock has the most power yet is able to deliver fast followups?
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10mm, hands down. EA does some special loads with 10mm that I've been told kick like a mule. I wouldn't trust .357sig against a bear. A two legged varmint, any day of the week, a bear, no.
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The baby glocks really aren't bad. I don't think they're too comfortable as I've got rather large hands. I like the mid-sized or full sized glocks pretty equally. Between the 33 and 35 there isn't going to be a big difference in SD situations but for pure accuracy I'd take the 35 any day as it has almost two inches extra in the barrel. That's gong to make a pretty big difference in velocity. With the 3.5" barrel of the 33 I'd probably suggest the lighter loads to make sure they stabilize in the shorter barrels. 115-124 grain loads should do just fine. Try out the 32 though, it's really not that much larger than the 33 and I find them a LOT more comfortable.
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Good follow up shots (doubles) are more a result of form vs. function. I mean that your shooting form (stance, grip) are going to have more to do with how fast you can follow up rather than what caliber you are using. As is evident in the vids I posted. I can actually shoot the Glock in .357Sig faster than I can a 1911 .45, which is counterintuitive being there's a shorter trigger on the 1911. I'd say that the .357 has more recoil than the .45, but still, I can shoot it faster. Focus on grip and stance and you can get to .15 splits and still be hitting COM with relative ease. If you watch the video, there's very little muzzle rise on either pistol, but I'm not really "strong arming" either pistol, just redirecting the forces thru my stance. That makes all the difference in follow up shots. I really am kind of excited to try this drill again with the 5.7, but I have to get a holster for it first. The triggers a little mushy on the 5.7 as compared to the 1911 and the Glock, but I think I can get 'er down to .18-.20 splits on the doubles.
Also, keep in mind that you are really only getting about 20-35fps more per inch of barrel from 3"-5", so about a max of 70fps faster, but the longer sight radius will be advantageous. As to what gun is good for bear country, even though I'm confident with the .357, I'd stick with .41 or .44 for bear country.
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Also, keep in mind that you are really only getting about 20-35fps more per inch of barrel from 3"-5", so about a max of 70fps faster, but the longer sight radius will be advantageous. As to what gun is good for bear country, even though I'm confident with the .357, I'd stick with .41 or .44 for bear country.
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Zhur - Great videos! I need to get a new shot timer and practice.
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Yep. I'm a fan of carrying at least a .44 Mag in Bear Country. I've heard tales of the .357 Magnum stopping a black bear, but damn, they are fast animals. They can easily out run a saddle horse. You may only get one shot.Zhurdan wrote: As to what gun is good for bear country, even though I'm confident with the .357, I'd stick with .41 or .44 for bear country.
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I agree that control could be a problem if you cant fit your whole hand on the grip. I dont think the baby Glock will be so bad as long as I get one of those aftermarket grip extensions...
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Zhurdan wrote:Good follow up shots (doubles) are more a result of form vs. function. I mean that your shooting form (stance, grip) are going to have more to do with how fast you can follow up rather than what caliber you are using. As is evident in the vids I posted. I can actually shoot the Glock in .357Sig faster than I can a 1911 .45, which is counterintuitive being there's a shorter trigger on the 1911. I'd say that the .357 has more recoil than the .45, but still, I can shoot it faster. Focus on grip and stance and you can get to .15 splits and still be hitting COM with relative ease. If you watch the video, there's very little muzzle rise on either pistol, but I'm not really "strong arming" either pistol, just redirecting the forces thru my stance. That makes all the difference in follow up shots. I really am kind of excited to try this drill again with the 5.7, but I have to get a holster for it first. The triggers a little mushy on the 5.7 as compared to the 1911 and the Glock, but I think I can get 'er down to .18-.20 splits on the doubles.
Also, keep in mind that you are really only getting about 20-35fps more per inch of barrel from 3"-5", so about a max of 70fps faster, but the longer sight radius will be advantageous. As to what gun is good for bear country, even though I'm confident with the .357, I'd stick with .41 or .44 for bear country.
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I completely agree when it comes to just putting bullets on a steel plate from 5' or even 20', this test was done at 25 meters and I threw out times with less than 90 points. That's less than 2" groups at 25 meters. These were not super fast fire sessions. The time for the FsN was thirty something seconds, or a shot just about every three seconds. I have no idea how fast I could double tap at 5', and I'm sure it's not less than half a second, but it's a rather different test all together, no?
And I don't know what ammo you use for .357Sig but, according to manufacturer specs on the .357 I've got it's rated at 1415fps out of a 3.5" barrel and 1525 out of a 4.5" barrel. They don't have numbers for 5.5" like my G35 but, I'd be willing to bet it's not much less than that again. 100fps is more like it, not 20-35fps.
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I already have a six inch .357mag revolver that I keep around for bears. Im want to trade it in for something smaller because it is too unwieldy and impractical for other applications. I like the idea of a baby glock with a heavy caliber so that I can still have some serious power, but also be able to have it for CCW. My mom lives nearby and I lend her the .357mag for when she walks her dog. If she ever gets confronted by a bear, im not confident that she could pull off more than one shot with the heavy revolver (also take into consideration that the shock of firing that thing without earplugs combined with the fear of the bear is likely to paralyze her). Last time she was confronted by a bear, she turned around to run and her knees gave out. We're lucky it didnt decide to have her for dinner! At least with an automatic she wont have to fool with the heavy hammer...she just has to squeeze as fast as she can. Followup shots are key with bears since you are likely to be undermatched with most calibers (especially with an automatic).As to what gun is good for bear country, even though I'm confident with the .357, I'd stick with .41 or .44 for bear country.
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Totally different tests, you are correct. I don't have any video of that kind of test, but since it mentioned rounds down range as fast as possible, I thought I'd share.
Perhaps the 20-35fps is for straight walled cartridges. I've looked it up in the past and actually posted the links on the old site when the discussion came up before. I'm at work right now, but I'll try and look them up again about the velocity gain per inch of barrel. Perhaps the bottle neck cartridges are different, I didn't look into that last time. Either way, it is whatever it is, I may very well be wrong, wouldn't be the first time, probably won't be the last hehehe
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Perhaps the 20-35fps is for straight walled cartridges. I've looked it up in the past and actually posted the links on the old site when the discussion came up before. I'm at work right now, but I'll try and look them up again about the velocity gain per inch of barrel. Perhaps the bottle neck cartridges are different, I didn't look into that last time. Either way, it is whatever it is, I may very well be wrong, wouldn't be the first time, probably won't be the last hehehe
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It depends a lot on who'se loading them and what the rounds are designed for. My 40SW rounds are pretty similar in gains to the .357sig but, the 9mm are down around 40fps per inch. 10mm is usually pretty up there, the 60s I think. my .380 on the other hand is worth about 10fps per inch. It depends entirely on the loading. 5.7x28 is usually good for about 50fps per inch. .223 is another odd one, you'd think it'd be higher but, it's only ~35-40 depending on loading. My .357 is about the highest I've ever seen at 100fps per inch, at least in handgun. Something like 7mm magnum or .338 are probably pretty similar.
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Zhurdan, were you able to find that information you had on velocity gains based on barrel length? I'm really curious, it may have broader information that what I've got. All I have is for specific loads that I use.
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