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Re: How to hit at 100 yds?

Posted: 06 May 2011, 11:13
by VeTTeMaNC486
ShockedNKansas wrote:Hell, shooting a glock17 free hand at the indoor range at 25yds seems very challenging to me with iron sights. I can't imagine 100yds!! At 25yds the front sight covers the entire (blurred) target. At 100yds, your sight would be covering a huge area with an out of focus target nearly invisible. It's tough to "aim small" in that situation but then again.. I am a noob! :)

I managed to hit the bullseye at 25yds but it was just luck as I could never have actually "aimed" at it. A lot of shots fell in the rings with pts so I felt pretty good for my first time shooting at that distance.
I feel very similar about this. Reading about the distances people shoot with pistols make me feel like a terrible shot. I can hit a 100 yard target with a s&w 460xvr however, but that is not really compairable as it is basicaly a rifle with no stock :laugh:

I remember a couple years back seeing some dude shooting at a steel silhouette or something at like 120 yards or some random number with a fsn. It was pretty amazing to me at the time. boom.... ding boom... ding. Cannot seem to find that video any longer.

Re: How to hit at 100 yds?

Posted: 06 May 2011, 11:27
by blueorison
Actually, it was more like 200 yards or beyond.

Re: How to hit at 100 yds?

Posted: 06 May 2011, 13:50
by panzermk2
ShockedNKansas wrote:Hell, shooting a glock17 free hand at the indoor range at 25yds seems very challenging to me with iron sights. I can't imagine 100yds!! At 25yds the front sight covers the entire (blurred) target. At 100yds, your sight would be covering a huge area with an out of focus target nearly invisible. It's tough to "aim small" in that situation but then again.. I am a noob! :)

I managed to hit the bullseye at 25yds but it was just luck as I could never have actually "aimed" at it. A lot of shots fell in the rings with pts so I felt pretty good for my first time shooting at that distance.

You need to use the old Elmer Kieth trick. Put the target on top of the front sight. Then draw imaginary lines across your front blade. Kieth actually went so fare at to cut lines in his front site with a file. Then drop your rear site down these lines. This way not only can you see the target you can see the hits and fir for affect.

One year at deer camp with new folk around a challenge was made and then a bet was made. A small paper plate was placed at 125 yards. Who ever could not hit it lost. This was their idea. I said it's stupid I wont bother with my rifle. I would use by box stock Colt 1991A1. This had old style super small Colt sights heck did not even have dots on them. They all laughed at the me, the flat lander and gave me no end of crap. So I made the bet rules, Who ever lost had to buy ALL the beer for all of deer camp. Non of them with their fancy rifles could hit the plate. Me with cheap SB 230gr FMJ emptied my entire 7 round gov mag into the plate.

Punks STFU fast and where even more pissed since I drink LOTS of expensive beer. They knew not to complain though.

It can be done. I may not be as fast at Blue anymore and my eyesight may not be the best any more but I doubt few if anyone can beat me on long range pistol shooting.


Vilaley and some other friends got a taste of this last summer when at 50 yards with plinker reload ammo I took my wife's Colt Agent (Alloy framed detective special) with a 2 inch barrel emptied at least three times into a shoot-N-see bulls eye replacement sticker. They are about 4 inches in diameter. Trigger and entire gun is stock except for hogue grip.

Re: How to hit at 100 yds?

Posted: 06 May 2011, 18:01
by Mister Freeze
Good stuff. I have a bad habit of stirring folks to make outrageous claims and then stand toe-to-toe to see if they're full of it or not. I'm damned proud of my 100yd FsN target and wish I had more chances to improve upon it. I am sorry not to have seen more targets posted. Perhaps the stuff of another Postal Match?

Re: How to hit at 100 yds?

Posted: 06 May 2011, 18:10
by Rapier1772
You wont see my targets posted because my grouping sucks out at 20yd & beyond :wall: Out to 40yd (limit of indoor range here) Most are in the target torso area but I am still trying to get consistency down :facepalm:

I don't do a lot of practice beyond 20yd though. Usually its at 15yd

Re: How to hit at 100 yds?

Posted: 06 May 2011, 19:27
by blueorison
panzermk2 wrote:
ShockedNKansas wrote:Hell, shooting a glock17 free hand at the indoor range at 25yds seems very challenging to me with iron sights. I can't imagine 100yds!! At 25yds the front sight covers the entire (blurred) target. At 100yds, your sight would be covering a huge area with an out of focus target nearly invisible. It's tough to "aim small" in that situation but then again.. I am a noob! :)

I managed to hit the bullseye at 25yds but it was just luck as I could never have actually "aimed" at it. A lot of shots fell in the rings with pts so I felt pretty good for my first time shooting at that distance.

You need to use the old Elmer Kieth trick. Put the target on top of the front sight. Then draw imaginary lines across your front blade. Kieth actually went so fare at to cut lines in his front site with a file. Then drop your rear site down these lines. This way not only can you see the target you can see the hits and fir for affect.

One year at deer camp with new folk around a challenge was made and then a bet was made. A small paper plate was placed at 125 yards. Who ever could not hit it lost. This was their idea. I said it's stupid I wont bother with my rifle. I would use by box stock Colt 1991A1. This had old style super small Colt sights heck did not even have dots on them. They all laughed at the me, the flat lander and gave me no end of crap. So I made the bet rules, Who ever lost had to buy ALL the beer for all of deer camp. Non of them with their fancy rifles could hit the plate. Me with cheap SB 230gr FMJ emptied my entire 7 round gov mag into the plate.

Punks STFU fast and where even more pissed since I drink LOTS of expensive beer. They knew not to complain though.

It can be done. I may not be as fast at Blue anymore and my eyesight may not be the best any more but I doubt few if anyone can beat me on long range pistol shooting.


Vilaley and some other friends got a taste of this last summer when at 50 yards with plinker reload ammo I took my wife's Colt Agent (Alloy framed detective special) with a 2 inch barrel emptied at least three times into a shoot-N-see bulls eye replacement sticker. They are about 4 inches in diameter. Trigger and entire gun is stock except for hogue grip.
Panzer, two-thumbs up to you.

I hope you enjoyed the lager and ale on their expense. People talk big until they have to back it up, and that you did. LEGIT.

Re: How to hit at 100 yds?

Posted: 07 May 2011, 13:58
by ShockedNKansas
panzermk2 wrote:
ShockedNKansas wrote:Hell, shooting a glock17 free hand at the indoor range at 25yds seems very challenging to me with iron sights. I can't imagine 100yds!! At 25yds the front sight covers the entire (blurred) target. At 100yds, your sight would be covering a huge area with an out of focus target nearly invisible. It's tough to "aim small" in that situation but then again.. I am a noob! :)

I managed to hit the bullseye at 25yds but it was just luck as I could never have actually "aimed" at it. A lot of shots fell in the rings with pts so I felt pretty good for my first time shooting at that distance.

You need to use the old Elmer Kieth trick. Put the target on top of the front sight. Then draw imaginary lines across your front blade. Kieth actually went so fare at to cut lines in his front site with a file. Then drop your rear site down these lines. This way not only can you see the target you can see the hits and fir for affect.

One year at deer camp with new folk around a challenge was made and then a bet was made. A small paper plate was placed at 125 yards. Who ever could not hit it lost. This was their idea. I said it's stupid I wont bother with my rifle. I would use by box stock Colt 1991A1. This had old style super small Colt sights heck did not even have dots on them. They all laughed at the me, the flat lander and gave me no end of crap. So I made the bet rules, Who ever lost had to buy ALL the beer for all of deer camp. Non of them with their fancy rifles could hit the plate. Me with cheap SB 230gr FMJ emptied my entire 7 round gov mag into the plate.

Punks STFU fast and where even more pissed since I drink LOTS of expensive beer. They knew not to complain though.

It can be done. I may not be as fast at Blue anymore and my eyesight may not be the best any more but I doubt few if anyone can beat me on long range pistol shooting.


Vilaley and some other friends got a taste of this last summer when at 50 yards with plinker reload ammo I took my wife's Colt Agent (Alloy framed detective special) with a 2 inch barrel emptied at least three times into a shoot-N-see bulls eye replacement sticker. They are about 4 inches in diameter. Trigger and entire gun is stock except for hogue grip.
Thanks for the tips and congratulations on shutting up some punks. It's fairly common that those with the biggest mouths are oftentimes AWOL when challenged.. :)

Re: How to hit at 100 yds?

Posted: 07 May 2011, 14:55
by blueorison
I'm pretty good at shutting punks up.

Panzer, my method is to take a card and tape it perpendicular to the target, then splitting it in half with my round.

Re: How to hit at 100 yds?

Posted: 15 May 2011, 06:28
by SoCal Gunner
I don't know what it is, but I can't shoot my 5.7 for shit compared to you guys as far groups and consistency. I've PM'd with Blue, watched the vids, and see you guys post your targets and think to myself - WTF?

While I'm no competition shooter, I can take my 1911 and shoot the "circles" out of the number "8" at 12yrds. Break out the 5.7 and I'm lucky to get half my rounds inside the no. 8 RING. Flyers seem to be a consistent problem.

Now I know my 5.7 had the worst trigger I've ever pulled on a firearm, but I thought I could adapt to it. I finally had enough and sent it in to EA for a trigger job. Dry firing it blew me away; I can't wait to get out to the range now.

Re: How to hit at 100 yds?

Posted: 15 May 2011, 12:40
by blueorison
SoCal Gunner wrote:I don't know what it is, but I can't shoot my 5.7 for shit compared to you guys as far groups and consistency. I've PM'd with Blue, watched the vids, and see you guys post your targets and think to myself - WTF?

While I'm no competition shooter, I can take my 1911 and shoot the "circles" out of the number "8" at 12yrds. Break out the 5.7 and I'm lucky to get half my rounds inside the no. 8 RING. Flyers seem to be a consistent problem.

Now I know my 5.7 had the worst trigger I've ever pulled on a firearm, but I thought I could adapt to it. I finally had enough and sent it in to EA for a trigger job. Dry firing it blew me away; I can't wait to get out to the range now.
A good trigger only works correctly for the already-trained. Sounds like you got your training down. Remember to stack pressure and twerk that trigger like you can on the 1911 :)

Give us a report and pictures on how you do. :thumb:

Re: How to hit at 100 yds?

Posted: 03 Jun 2011, 15:30
by iFire
Here's my first attempt at a 100 yard target - used my pistol case as a rest :laugh:

Managed to hit the paper 7 out of 10 times...

Next time I'm going to use sandbags and try and really punch some good holes :D

FsN - Leupold Delta Point Triangle
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Re: How to hit at 100 yds?

Posted: 04 Jun 2011, 03:48
by Mister Freeze
What was your zero and POA? Ammo?

Re: How to hit at 100 yds?

Posted: 04 Jun 2011, 04:58
by iFire
Mister Freeze wrote:What was your zero and POA? Ammo?
I am currently sighted in around 2" high at 50 yards using the tip of the triangle...

POA - Tip of the triangle Right on the bullseye!

Ammo - Custom Handloads / 5.8 grs of TB with a 40 vmax at ~1800 fps / SD usually runs around 10-12 fps

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I might get a chance to get out again today... If I do, I want to set up a good rest and try a few different types of handloads...

This is just the tip of the iceburg - It was a windy day and I was shooting quickly not really taking my time...

If I take my time and get a better rest I have a feeling the FsN has some truly great potential!

Re: How to hit at 100 yds?

Posted: 04 Jun 2011, 06:24
by fatherfoof
In the state police, there were three handguns we used over the years. Every trooper had to qua;ify out to 50 yards, although the vast majority was in close. The course for personal off duty weapons was the same, but half the rounds fired. Everyone also had to do the shotgun and rifle course, the rifle back then being a 700 30-06.

Re: How to hit at 100 yds?

Posted: 04 Jun 2011, 17:00
by iFire
Second time shooting at 100 yards

FsN w/ Delta Point Triangle
Custom Handloads
Prone using the pistol case as a rest ( I forgot sandbags, again! )

8/10 Shots INSIDE the 8" circle - And I dont even think I did that good of a job... I think the FsN has a TON of potential if I can get myself together!

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Heres the FsN with the Delta Point attached that I used...
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Re: How to hit at 100 yds?

Posted: 04 Jun 2011, 17:40
by jgreenberg01
That's pretty darn impressive. I feel inspired!

Re: How to hit at 100 yds?

Posted: 04 Jun 2011, 17:57
by Gramaton Cleric
Thats awesome!! I went to the range today and all mine where all far left and at 10 o clock at 25 yards! LOL I spose more practice is needed! Also I noticed the faster I fire the tighter my groups are?! At any rate awesome shooting! Blue I'll give you a buzz next time to see what my deal is.

Re: How to hit at 100 yds?

Posted: 04 Jun 2011, 18:02
by Mister Freeze
I'd like to see that Delta Point Triangle.
I think using a bipod is a winning idea. Perhaps a sandbag under the mag too would be the ticket.
Posted before, but seems relevant...

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Re: How to hit at 100 yds?

Posted: 04 Jun 2011, 18:24
by iFire
Mister Freeze wrote:I'd like to see that Delta Point Triangle.
I posted a pic of my FsN with the Delta Point, but I'm pretty sure you meant see it in person... :D
Mister Freeze wrote:I think using a bipod is a winning idea. Perhaps a sandbag under the mag too would be the ticket.
I agree. Thats next... And hopefully 10/10 in the 8" circle...

Re: How to hit at 100 yds?

Posted: 06 Jun 2011, 22:33
by dragon281tx
Saw this thread so I figured I'd share my experience. Like some have stated above, 100yds aint a joke. You have to have superb trigger control, especially shooting while standing. But it's definitely do-able. I can consistently hit a 100yd gong w/ my Glock 19. So I can only imagine that a Five-seveN has the potential to be a tackdriver @ 100yds in the right hands. Here's some videos of me shooting various pistols @ 100yds:

Glock 19 9mm


Ruger LCP .380


Desert Eagle 50AE