Israel's TAVOR

Talk about your favorite longguns here.
Post Reply
User avatar
blueorison
Competition/Training Mod
Posts: 10625
Joined: 11 Apr 2009, 14:28
custom title: UT/EA Pistol Captain
Contact:

Israel's TAVOR

Post by blueorison » 23 Sep 2012, 17:28

The company behind the Tavor is building/built a factory here in the US.

Tavors will be available in the future.

I was excited about their entry into the bullpup world, when they first came out. However, I heard of some growing pains and issues. Hopefully they are resolved. The Tavor would make a great PDW to 300 yds weapon.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012 ... ng-to-usa/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
The shooter will always matter more than the gear ever will.
Stop relying on others to do the work for you.
Shoot more, worry less.

User avatar
Esteves
Wiki Moderator
Posts: 3159
Joined: 20 Aug 2008, 10:23
custom title: Shhh!
Location: Tucson, AZ

Re: Israel's TAVOR

Post by Esteves » 23 Sep 2012, 18:14

Small Arms Review just covered the IWI X95
A direct derivation from the TAR-21 Tavor bullpup rifle, adopted in 2003 by the Israel Defence Forces, we are going to introduce to SAR readers the version designed for the Sayeret (Special Forces) units, a shorter and more modular rifle that, in case of need, can be converted into an SMG.

The TAR-21 project in Ramat Hasharon was started in 1995 when the Israeli company name was still IMI (Israel Military Industries). In recent times, IMI ownership has been handed over from the State of Israel to a private company, the Samy Katsav Group (the same holding that includes also Meprolight, Selectron International Optronics and Global Shields) and changed its name to Israel Weapon Industries or IWI.

More...
--
S
© 2005-2017 Esteves

Political tags — such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative,
and so forth — are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want
people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.

User avatar
panzermk2
Forum Supporter
Posts: 11541
Joined: 19 Aug 2008, 15:51
Location: Around here it's more like what can we shoot through next.
Contact:

Re: Israel's TAVOR

Post by panzermk2 » 24 Sep 2012, 09:47

Supposedly they have finally debugged them and they work.
Jay Wolf
Pr. Elite Ammunition

"Engineers, the oompa-loompas of science!"

Be'ein Tachbulot Yipol Am Veteshua Berov Yoetz
Image

User avatar
Rapier1772
Global Moderator
Posts: 12125
Joined: 20 Aug 2008, 09:00
Location: American Falls, ID

Re: Israel's TAVOR

Post by Rapier1772 » 24 Sep 2012, 09:59

panzermk2 wrote:Supposedly they have finally debugged them and they work.
In that case, I want one :D
EDIT: I want one when it comes in another caliber :skep:
Contrary to popular belief, you CAN fix stupid - it's just illegal.
Tactical Search Instructions & tips: http://www.fivesevenforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12045

Piston Driven
Junior Member
Posts: 160
Joined: 04 Jun 2012, 22:41
custom title: Exultant Ruler

Re: Israel's TAVOR

Post by Piston Driven » 24 Sep 2012, 13:41

:drool: C'mon dont tempt me so! This will take years and probably cost about 3k! Don't tempt me temptress !!!!!! :evil:

User avatar
blueorison
Competition/Training Mod
Posts: 10625
Joined: 11 Apr 2009, 14:28
custom title: UT/EA Pistol Captain
Contact:

Re: Israel's TAVOR

Post by blueorison » 24 Sep 2012, 14:00

Piston Driven wrote::drool: C'mon dont tempt me so! This will take years and probably cost about 3k! Don't tempt me temptress !!!!!! :evil:
Rapier1772 wrote:
panzermk2 wrote:Supposedly they have finally debugged them and they work.
In that case, I want one :D

When they first came out, I did everything to try to find out how to get one.

I still think they could be a great asset. However, if I got one, I'd most likely take a hacksaw, dremel, and heatgun out and redo the ergonomics.

Beyond that, once they come out with a .308 variant, the niche filled by the Keltec RFB will finally have a partner. And this partner might just eke out the RFB, in my mind, if the quality is made to a higher degree. The trigger, for a bullpup, on the RFB, is pretty good, though. Although, I'm sure that drop-in aftermarkets will be envisioned and produced for the Tavor.
Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
The shooter will always matter more than the gear ever will.
Stop relying on others to do the work for you.
Shoot more, worry less.

User avatar
panzermk2
Forum Supporter
Posts: 11541
Joined: 19 Aug 2008, 15:51
Location: Around here it's more like what can we shoot through next.
Contact:

Re: Israel's TAVOR

Post by panzermk2 » 24 Sep 2012, 15:09

blueorison wrote:
Piston Driven wrote::drool: C'mon dont tempt me so! This will take years and probably cost about 3k! Don't tempt me temptress !!!!!! :evil:
Rapier1772 wrote:
panzermk2 wrote:Supposedly they have finally debugged them and they work.
In that case, I want one :D

When they first came out, I did everything to try to find out how to get one.

I still think they could be a great asset. However, if I got one, I'd most likely take a hacksaw, dremel, and heatgun out and redo the ergonomics.

Beyond that, once they come out with a .308 variant, the niche filled by the Keltec RFB will finally have a partner. And this partner might just eke out the RFB, in my mind, if the quality is made to a higher degree. The trigger, for a bullpup, on the RFB, is pretty good, though. Although, I'm sure that drop-in aftermarkets will be envisioned and produced for the Tavor.

That full hand guard would have to go. Why of why do so many bullpup makers go with a full hand guards?
Jay Wolf
Pr. Elite Ammunition

"Engineers, the oompa-loompas of science!"

Be'ein Tachbulot Yipol Am Veteshua Berov Yoetz
Image

User avatar
blueorison
Competition/Training Mod
Posts: 10625
Joined: 11 Apr 2009, 14:28
custom title: UT/EA Pistol Captain
Contact:

Re: Israel's TAVOR

Post by blueorison » 24 Sep 2012, 15:41

$2k price point? Might as well get the SCAR 16 for almost the same price.

That is one over-priced gun if they are going to sell it past $1200. Even at $1200, that is overpriced. It's probably a fair price at $800.
Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
The shooter will always matter more than the gear ever will.
Stop relying on others to do the work for you.
Shoot more, worry less.

srt-4_jon
Senior Member
Posts: 868
Joined: 08 Jan 2010, 10:19

Re: Israel's TAVOR

Post by srt-4_jon » 24 Sep 2012, 16:13

Even the MSAR STG was more than $800 and it was a copy of an existing design. There is no way the Tavor is a $800 gun.

User avatar
blueorison
Competition/Training Mod
Posts: 10625
Joined: 11 Apr 2009, 14:28
custom title: UT/EA Pistol Captain
Contact:

Re: Israel's TAVOR

Post by blueorison » 24 Sep 2012, 16:36

srt-4_jon wrote:Even the MSAR STG was more than $800 and it was a copy of an existing design. There is no way the Tavor is a $800 gun.
It won't be but it should be. It has more plastic than any AR carbine; take the Colt's that you can buy for $900. They are probably more accurate than the Tavor and have many more machined parts rather than really-to-produce-plastic-parts on the Tavor, and they are only $900.

The MSAR was way overpriced, and everyone knew it. Except the mall ninjas.

When they were going under or needed to liquidate, you found them right under $1k. Wonder why. :thumb:
Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
The shooter will always matter more than the gear ever will.
Stop relying on others to do the work for you.
Shoot more, worry less.

srt-4_jon
Senior Member
Posts: 868
Joined: 08 Jan 2010, 10:19

Re: Israel's TAVOR

Post by srt-4_jon » 24 Sep 2012, 18:21

blueorison wrote: It won't be but it should be. It has more plastic than any AR carbine; take the Colt's that you can buy for $900. They are probably more accurate than the Tavor and have many more machined parts rather than really-to-produce-plastic-parts on the Tavor, and they are only $900.
That last sentence can be said for the SCAR, ACR, FS2000, AUG and every other new black rifle.

Also, quantity has a lot to do with the pricing as well. Everyone knows the more you build, the cheaper it will be. How many Colt ARs are out there vs. Tavors?
When they were going under or needed to liquidate, you found them right under $1k. Wonder why. :thumb:
Right under $1k is still more than $800. I assume price dropped was because the sellers had to motivate buyers that knew there wasn't going to be any more factory support for parts/warranty. I brought up the MSAR because they mimicked an existing design and didn't have near the R&D of a brand new design. And even with the significantly lower start up cost, the rifles were still more than $800.

Considering how much RFBs are going for, I dont see why the Tavor wont sell in the same area considering the Tavor isnt held together with allen screws and nuts.

User avatar
blueorison
Competition/Training Mod
Posts: 10625
Joined: 11 Apr 2009, 14:28
custom title: UT/EA Pistol Captain
Contact:

Re: Israel's TAVOR

Post by blueorison » 24 Sep 2012, 18:31

Yeah... but the RFB's are .308

And when they come out, I'm sure the "new to market/I want it!" effect will hit the gun-buyers and the inflated prices would hold for a while.
Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
The shooter will always matter more than the gear ever will.
Stop relying on others to do the work for you.
Shoot more, worry less.

Piston Driven
Junior Member
Posts: 160
Joined: 04 Jun 2012, 22:41
custom title: Exultant Ruler

Re: Israel's TAVOR

Post by Piston Driven » 25 Sep 2012, 15:51

:thumb: I think y'all are dreamers! This will most likely take years as these things go! :(

User avatar
blueorison
Competition/Training Mod
Posts: 10625
Joined: 11 Apr 2009, 14:28
custom title: UT/EA Pistol Captain
Contact:

Re: Israel's TAVOR

Post by blueorison » 30 Sep 2012, 21:27



****.

I want one. It probably won't use it much in competition, but in other fields I would definitely use it.

I guess this is going to go up against the Steyr AUG's latest variant, which is making a comeback to the US. Big factors will be price and I'm 100% sure the AUG is going to win in accuracy and quality, so this will have to be significantly lower. Plus, the AUG is a more "proven" design; bugs are worked out, etc.

This might be lighter, though. And if it can hold decent MOA and the trigger can be pretty decent, then....

All my thoughts are worthless, probably, since I won't be able to afford them :laugh:
Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
The shooter will always matter more than the gear ever will.
Stop relying on others to do the work for you.
Shoot more, worry less.

User avatar
panzermk2
Forum Supporter
Posts: 11541
Joined: 19 Aug 2008, 15:51
Location: Around here it's more like what can we shoot through next.
Contact:

Re: Israel's TAVOR

Post by panzermk2 » 30 Sep 2012, 21:41

AUG is to damn heavy.
Jay Wolf
Pr. Elite Ammunition

"Engineers, the oompa-loompas of science!"

Be'ein Tachbulot Yipol Am Veteshua Berov Yoetz
Image

User avatar
blueorison
Competition/Training Mod
Posts: 10625
Joined: 11 Apr 2009, 14:28
custom title: UT/EA Pistol Captain
Contact:

Re: Israel's TAVOR

Post by blueorison » 30 Sep 2012, 22:32

Yes, it is.

Then again, maybe my draw to it is because there is really no other viable bullpup carbine besides the RFB on the market.

Actually, now that I think on it, that is the majority reason why I like the Tavor;

there really aren't any other viable bullpup carbines out there. Even when the MSAR came out... I didn't like it. Don't care for the AUGs, either, because they are heavy.
Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
The shooter will always matter more than the gear ever will.
Stop relying on others to do the work for you.
Shoot more, worry less.

User avatar
Rapier1772
Global Moderator
Posts: 12125
Joined: 20 Aug 2008, 09:00
Location: American Falls, ID

Re: Israel's TAVOR

Post by Rapier1772 » 30 Sep 2012, 22:50

I've shot Tomac's AUG, I didn't think it was heavy. But then I am used to the FS2K which is a little heavier. After this vid, I think I am better off sticking with my 2K :skep:
One of the things is that I like being able to switch back & forth (RH to LH) without changing the configuration of the rifle. Yeah, the TAVOR kicks the shells forward but I still prefer the brass not flying in front of my face :laugh:

I do like the TAVOR's hold open & bolt release, plus it looks like the mag changes are easier.

If I could fix the fracking trigger, the 2K would rule! :laugh:
Contrary to popular belief, you CAN fix stupid - it's just illegal.
Tactical Search Instructions & tips: http://www.fivesevenforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12045

User avatar
blueorison
Competition/Training Mod
Posts: 10625
Joined: 11 Apr 2009, 14:28
custom title: UT/EA Pistol Captain
Contact:

Re: Israel's TAVOR

Post by blueorison » 30 Sep 2012, 23:42

I forgot about the 2K!

That is an awesome bullpup! And of course, FN's famous INGENIUS, mindblowing designs.

Everything is modular, and contained in compact modules, just like on the 90. Hm.. if I keep having to refer to FN platforms using numbers... 16...17... I guess the FsN would be the only lettered platform...

The 2K definitely is in the niche with the Tavor and AUG/MSAR. There are a few others out there, but they do not live on the level.

The Tavor is still lower-profile, which is a big thing for me. I'm sure they will come out with a drop-in trigger and aftermarket for it.

That's odd that they don't make a drop-in for the 2K.. did you check?
Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
The shooter will always matter more than the gear ever will.
Stop relying on others to do the work for you.
Shoot more, worry less.

User avatar
Rapier1772
Global Moderator
Posts: 12125
Joined: 20 Aug 2008, 09:00
Location: American Falls, ID

Re: Israel's TAVOR

Post by Rapier1772 » 01 Oct 2012, 01:03

Yeah, & found a couple of DIY pointers which I may try but no new trigger pack. Not like the PS90 change out anyway...
Contrary to popular belief, you CAN fix stupid - it's just illegal.
Tactical Search Instructions & tips: http://www.fivesevenforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12045

User avatar
Esteves
Wiki Moderator
Posts: 3159
Joined: 20 Aug 2008, 10:23
custom title: Shhh!
Location: Tucson, AZ

Re: Israel's TAVOR

Post by Esteves » 01 Oct 2012, 04:31

blueorison wrote:Hm.. if I keep having to refer to FN platforms using numbers... 16...17... I guess the FsN would be the only lettered platform...
This post was brought to you by the letters 5 and 7
--
S
© 2005-2017 Esteves

Political tags — such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative,
and so forth — are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want
people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest