Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Reloading info for the 5.7x28mm

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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by Rapier1772 » 09 Sep 2013, 19:42

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One of the dies included will be the decapping die which punches out the old primer and resizes the case. There SHOULD have been instructions included with the die set. If not, contact Lyman & ask them to send you some.

You seem new to reloading (sorry if I'm wrong) and so a word of warning:
The 5.7x28mm round is VERY sensitive to overpressure, even a .1gr overcharge can cause catastrophic failure.
While it is possible to learn how to reload on this round, we recommend you get familiar with reloading on something more forgiving.

And don't trust your powder drop until it has proven it can maintain a constant setting with the powder you are using. True Blue meters well in the 550, flake powders such as Blue Dot do not.
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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by Oldbindlestiff » 10 Sep 2013, 06:51

Three die sets include a sizing/de-capping die. I would suggest that you add an Elite Ammunition case go/no gauge to your equipment, as well as a bullet-puller. When I first acquired a Dillon reloading machine, I used it as if it were a single stage press. This approach allowed checking each step carefully until the setup was perfect. Make a dummy round with no primer or powder and then use the case gauge to test it. When it is time to go "live", start at the MINIMUM recommended powder weight. Weigh EACH powder charge (Just drop it into the pan for the scale before charging the case.) until you know what the powder measure is dropping. Lyman's Reloading Handbook is a great source for a step-by-step presentation of the reloading process. Please heed Rapier's advice and be careful.
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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by Oceansblue » 10 Sep 2013, 10:19

Thank you for the information, I assumed as much about the Lyman dies but wanted to be sure. When I purchased my fsn, the seller included the dies, but without the manual that should have accompanied them. I did actually already pick up EA's go/no go guage as well, I assume their stuff is good, since they appear to be the vendor of choice on these forums.

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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by APOX » 22 Oct 2013, 15:40

Hello.
Gotta hard one for youz guys...
I know virtually nothing about reloading. I reloaded .44 mag in a share shop once for a short time, not just to save money, but to make better than I could buy; but the owner who was supposedly experienced and knowledgeable was an idiot. His instruction and own efforts resulted in cases that looked a little like accordions - his response was that they would straighten out when I fired them. I left.

I have scanned this topic/forum. I want a 5.7 X 28 handgun, and already bought and sold a Masterpiece arms POC because I could not get the ammo. I want the good pistol - The FN Five Seven.
Common problem: Getting ammo. For reasons I cannot go into, time is not something I have to play with for the most part, so I can't go the usual route of starting with other cartridges and learning and working my way up. I need the hardware capability to reload these.
I need recommendations for the best overall setup for reloading this ammo with the following priorities:
#1: As fool-proof as possible (yeah, I know, I've read this topic, and it seems anyone is lucky to be able to do it without two presses, mods, grinding and welding, etc.)
#2: The smallest, most portable rig possible.
#3: Affordable, if possible.
- In this order -

Please don't caution me about this, I have educated myself on the basic situation: difficult and dangerous load to get wrong, etc.
I am not an idiot, extremely mechanically inclined, eye for detail, cautious, and a near perfectionist on things serious as this. But I have to get this done and it will get done, so those really in the know: Please help me get this taken care of.

I would very much appreciate help on this, especially if links and estimated overall cost might be.
-P.S.- Has any outfit yet offered a reliable and complete set/package for reloading this round ?!?
Any recent developments making the ammo more available and cost effective?
Thank you very much in advance.

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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by APOX » 22 Oct 2013, 18:46

Although I just joined this forum, and just posted here, I have to bring up a possibly uncomfortable subject...
I have read about all the crapola people have to deal with just to get their equipment together to reload the 5.7 x 28, to the extent that It seems to require a near obsession and bottomless wallet to deal with it.

Have you checked out the 22 TCM ??? It is equal or better than the FN 5 7, costs much less, works very reliably (fail to lock slide open after last round is likely a problem with the magazine and not the pistol) and is basically a modified 1911.
The ammo is quite available, costs a lot less, and is much easier to reload. The cases are right between a 9mm and a .223/5.56, and can be reloaded using .223 cases.

Serious question: Why are people even bothering with 5.7 x 28 ? - really...
Just because you have already invested so much in the gun and ammo and reloading dies, etc???
Although the 22 TCM pistols may be made overseas, they were designed here in America by an American.
As I stated, it is equal or better than the 5.7 X 28 in general and in penetration specifically.

I feel as if I have been on some wild goose chase, and am wiping the sweat from my brow that I bothered to check out the 22 TCM in time, before committing to a whole lot of unnecessary expense, aggravation, work, etc. for nothing.
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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by Yelraek » 22 Oct 2013, 20:20

APOX wrote:Although I just joined this forum, and just posted here, I have to bring up a possibly uncomfortable subject...
I have read about all the crapola people have to deal with just to get their equipment together to reload the 5.7 x 28, to the extent that It seems to require a near obsession and bottomless wallet to deal with it.

Have you checked out the 22 TCM ??? It is equal or better than the FN 5 7, costs much less, works very reliably (fail to lock slide open after last round is likely a problem with the magazine and not the pistol) and is basically a modified 1911.
The ammo is quite available, costs a lot less, and is much easier to reload. The cases are right between a 9mm and a .223/5.56, and can be reloaded using .223 cases.

Serious question: Why are people even bothering with 5.7 x 28 ? - really...
Just because you have already invested so much in the gun and ammo and reloading dies, etc???
Although the 22 TCM pistols may be made overseas, they were designed here in America by an American.
As I stated, it is equal or better than the 5.7 X 28 in general and in penetration specifically.

I feel as if I have been on some wild goose chase, and am wiping the sweat from my brow that I bothered to check out the 22 TCM in time, before committing to a whole lot of unnecessary expense, aggravation, work, etc. for nothing.
WHEW !!!

Good for you... :clap: (can I slow the clap down to make it look more sarcastic?)
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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by Rapier1772 » 22 Oct 2013, 21:55

Yelraek wrote:Good for you... :clap: (can I slow the clap down to make it look more sarcastic?)
No but you can put the "Good for you..." part in sarcasm font, there's even a button for it. :thumb:

APOX, you are aware we can have more than one gun right? And that some us reload as a hobby, not a necessity? I have no idea where you got this:
APOX wrote:It seems to require a near obsession and bottomless wallet to deal with it
Let's see, when I started reloading the 5.7x28mm I bought dies, shell holder, a new scale, & a 550 shell plate. I had everything else because of the other calibers I reload. The investment was really no more than if I bought any other new caliber which could be reloaded. Notice I said investment, which is what reloading is. Anyone looking for an immediate payback is going to be sorely mistaken.
And I don't see how it is any more of an obsession than my other rifle calibers.

As for the 22 TCM, yeah we know about it. Some people here own it, here's a thread: http://www.fivesevenforum.com/viewtopic ... 26&t=11954" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by APOX » 23 Oct 2013, 12:08

As I said, I have scanned this topic in forum, and I have seen the back-and-forth of people trying to get dies that will work without modification, and posts about having to weld or grind or improvise just to keep the shell from falling through the press, and about having to get special adapters and plates and this, that and the other thing.
There are three main reasons I see for reloading:
#1 To save money
#2 Purely for hobby, (some people like to spend hours pulling that lever, go figure) which I would not agree with.
#3 Making better than you can buy, or experimenting with loads, all pretty much in the effort to put together a better round.

Reloading equipment is not cheap when you take into account all that you end up needing to do it right.

When people have to go to the trouble and extremes I have read about in this forum just to reload this one cartridge, I have to wonder "What's the point ?!?"
When I consider what I have just learned about the 22 TCM, in general, and in consideration of how much easier it must be to reload if one wants, I wonder "What the hell's the point ?!!!" "Why even bother with this dammed 5.7?!!"

The 5.7 X 28 is an extremely problematic cartridge, both because it is usually hard to find and expensive, and especially when reloading it seems to be a problem in itself. Competitively, 22 TCM is nothing less than fantastic in almost every way, and I have not come across any drawbacks that 5.7 would not have. Plus, I hear that the company making the ammo and/pr the gun will reload the ammo for you and charge $12.00 a box. If that is still true, how can someone resist?
- If they are already stuck with a 5.7 and all the reloading buts for it.

As far as owning more than one gun, I am of the rather small and exclusive school of not needing to buy one gun after another , and the reloading equipment, and all the other stuff, until you have major investments and whole rooms dedicated to put it all.
I, personally want just 2-5 firearms of any sort at most. I generally believe in only owning as many forearms as I would want to carry at one time. Instead of collecting, I believe in "trading up" and improving what I have. I know that is not the usual, but to the other extreme, I really don;t see the point in spending large amounts of money, time, etc. on an indefinite number of firearms it just seems to be a waste. Its still a supposedly free Country, and if people want to collect and spend, etc. that's fine, but it does not necessarily make the most sense to deal with a cartridge that is riddled with difficulties, when something equal or (much) better is more than available. If I had gone down the road of this topic, I would have ended up with thousands of dollars invested in ammo, reloading equipment, and firearm(s) that I would be looking to sell and trade up to something that is comparatively a breath of fresh air and a real solution.

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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by Rapier1772 » 23 Oct 2013, 14:13

It's like that saying, "your mileage may vary" and clearly you have your opinion just as we have ours.
Not everyone has to go through all those problems. I do not consider the FsN any more problematic than my other reloads.

Please note that this thread is about reloading equipment for the 5.7x28, if you wish to continue talking about the 22 TCM, please do so in the thread linked in my previous post. Thanks.
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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by dfosland » 23 Oct 2013, 16:07

APOX wrote:Hello.
Gotta hard one for youz guys...
I know virtually nothing about reloading. I reloaded .44 mag in a share shop once for a short time, not just to save money, but to make better than I could buy; but the owner who was supposedly experienced and knowledgeable was an idiot. His instruction and own efforts resulted in cases that looked a little like accordions - his response was that they would straighten out when I fired them. I left.

I have scanned this topic/forum. I want a 5.7 X 28 handgun, and already bought and sold a Masterpiece arms POC because I could not get the ammo. I want the good pistol - The FN Five Seven.
Common problem: Getting ammo. For reasons I cannot go into, time is not something I have to play with for the most part, so I can't go the usual route of starting with other cartridges and learning and working my way up. I need the hardware capability to reload these.
I need recommendations for the best overall setup for reloading this ammo with the following priorities:
#1: As fool-proof as possible (yeah, I know, I've read this topic, and it seems anyone is lucky to be able to do it without two presses, mods, grinding and welding, etc.)
#2: The smallest, most portable rig possible.
#3: Affordable, if possible.
- In this order -

Please don't caution me about this, I have educated myself on the basic situation: difficult and dangerous load to get wrong, etc.
I am not an idiot, extremely mechanically inclined, eye for detail, cautious, and a near perfectionist on things serious as this. But I have to get this done and it will get done, so those really in the know: Please help me get this taken care of.

I would very much appreciate help on this, especially if links and estimated overall cost might be.
-P.S.- Has any outfit yet offered a reliable and complete set/package for reloading this round ?!?
Any recent developments making the ammo more available and cost effective?
Thank you very much in advance.

This got to be longer than I would have thought...

To get back onto topic for you, asking opinions about gear and setup is akin to asking if Ford or Chevy is better, going to get a LOT of suggestions. Costs can be attributed to "You get what you paid for", cheaper is now always better. At a minimum, and depending on what you need, Lee makes a hand held reloading system, but I do not know if the 5.7 dies will work in it. After that, a single stage press will be the most compact and simplest, and again, brand is a personal preference (I like green, John Deere, RCBS...). Beyond that, as you may have seen from your counterpart that had wrinkled cases, the things (that are not consumables) you need at "my" minimum will be:

-A Press, single stage for simplicity, takes longer than a progressive, but is also cheaper and comes in kits (I use and RCBS Rockchucker Supreme)
-Dies, Lee, Hornady, RCBS...read the reviews on midwayusa.com (Have RCBS and LEE dies)
-A way to remove the primer crimp, I use a reamer (Hornady small pocket reamer with the Hornady Lock-N-Load Power Case Prep Trio)
-A trim die, but I didn't trim my once fired brass (because I haven't bought one yet)
-A scale for measuring your powder, a powder dispenser if you don't want to hand trickle each load onto the scale (Using an RCBS Uniflow to dump and chargemaster scale to check)
-A priming system, some of which attach directly to the press, I use a handheld (Found my RCBS Universal wouldn't hold the case, bought the -Hand Priming System, RCBS has an attachment that goes onto the Rockchucker for priming)
-With this round, getting the case gauge from Elite Ammunition is absolutely worth it for safety's sake.

As you have likely read in many other threads, there are other things that make reloading life simpler, ultrasonic cleaner for the brass, lube and lube pads, decapping dies, case prep centers...this list can go on forever, and has, and as previously stated, most of this becomes used in our other calibers, a small pocket reamer works for anything with a small primer pocket, the vibratory/ultrasonic/tumbler cleaners work on all types of brass (size dependent), so our overall gear costs get spread around the more calibers we reload.

The basic gear is listed in the very first post of this thread, including brands and some specifics like which primers and powder to use. The information is there for you to determine which one you want and then do the legwork of pricing it, I get some of my stuff from MidwayUSA, other stuff from Gun Broker, and yet some other from Amazon, even some from gunshows or Cabela's or other retailers.

One of the biggest challenges with the 5.7x28 in comparison to others is that the shoulder grows so much when fired that it is such a sticky wicket and a concern for many who just get started or don't do much research on it. Elite Ammunition's case gauge was designed to help overcome this issue, and it is simple to use and works well. One of the guys I was at the range with yesterday keeps calling this "The most dangerous round to reload" as he has known more than a couple people who didn't put in the prep time and ensure that the shoulder was back correctly and had out of battery detonations. For him, the fact that I came here for info and tools and made sure to check it, and that my first couple tests were "successful" (I didn't blow myself up and the pistol went 'boom'), impressed him with all the info here.

Now, I am by no means an expert reloader, and there are a lot of people here who have decades more experience than I do, but with their info at the beginning of this thread, others that have done in load tests, and topics in the other threads, all got me into a great start, and I owe them big time for all that info freely given away.

Lastly, I'm sorry, but I read your first post in this thread as a "do the leg work for me", but all the basics have been done by a lot of these people here, and I recently used as much as I could absorb to start in on this caliber. If what you are needing is more of a proper tutorial on reloading instead of the bad experience you got with the other person you worked with, and as you stated, this is round is not the best place to start, might consider one of your other chosen calibers to get into the swing of things and add this later. All the equipment will be the same except for the dies and some of the consumables. I got introduced to reloading with the 9mm 14 years ago, and 7 years ago I jumped into reloading the 50 BMG and have worked backwards from there, to the 30-06 and 308, to this, and soon enough, back to 9mm and .223. To say that the amount of gear on my reloading bench has grown would be an understatement, but at the same time, I don't "need" all of it, just that some of it makes different stages simpler or easier on the hands.

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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by Yelraek » 23 Oct 2013, 17:14

I'm sorry if my sarcastic post came off a little brash. It's just you see... I'm very much a cynic at heart. When someone posts a question, especially with such language as “for reasons I cannot go into, time is not something I have to play with”, and then three hours and six minutes later has a 180 degree turn around post which, maybe I’m a poor reader, came off as a bit confrontational. Well… it does raise a few flags in my mind.

There is a well of information here. And feel free to take advantage of it, I know I do. But it’s hard to be well received when you go from looking for information because you “want the good pistol - The FN Five Seven.” And suddenly in less than 24 hours being such an expert on the 22 TCM. Again, makes me wonder what the next flavour of the week is.

I’m sorry, I really don’t mean to insult. But maybe you should be thinking the same way.

As for my two cents as to good cartridges to get into… Reloading IS expensive to start up if you want to really get into it effectively. It CAN be done on the cheap… my father-in-law introduced me on 30-06 using the old Lee hand press he bought years ago for a dozen bucks (more like 30-50 now, and you need to buy a hammer). But if you’re going to stick to the cheap side your safety margin is going to go down and anyone would recommend staying away from the hotter loads and probably to stick to firearms where you’re not worried about chambering; bolt actions and “Wheel” guns.

If you’re thinking about anything for a practical purpose… well… you should probably just stick to the most prevalent cartridges anyways. The military is by far the greatest demand for ammunition around the world and will be the easiest to find globally. NATO has even tried to replace the 9 mil from being their standard… but it’s just hard to change when there’s so much out there. However, there stands as good a chance as any for 5.7 to be that round.

As for the gun itself… there are many good reasons to own one. I always get a little smile when I’m at the 100 yard range right beside a long gun tack driver zeroing in. Yes… he’ll be shooting much further later, I’m not nearly comparing the FsN to a sniper rifle… but it’s funny at the time.

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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by DoubleJ » 16 Nov 2013, 12:15

Just an FYI from a new reloader here, I've had zero problems reloading the 5.7. One set of dies, came with the shell holder, no swaging needed, my press mounted primer arms works fine, this forum pointed me in the right direction for powder choice and load data, I was able to exceed factory ammo on day one, I've never had anything scary happen, etc. Some people have had trouble I'm sure, but they might have been the people cutting the path for the rest of us.

I also value my face and my hand, so I started loading 45 Colts for my .454 casull to give myself about 45,000 PSI of headroom should I make a mistake

As far as the TCM goes, did you happen to notice that the only bullet you can use in it is the same one Armscor uses in the 22WMR? No real bullets will fit. It's a neat idea, but I think FN has a bit more experience than whoever TCM is in making rounds that matter. I hear they're a great channel for old movies though...

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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by GONRA » 16 Nov 2013, 14:16

GONRA suggests skip57PS90 use RCBS SMALL BASE 5.7x28FN dies,
STP Oil Treatment case lube, nice BIG press - sizing will be Just Fine.
Be sure to uses Hornady .22 seater with the sliding sleeve for bullet seating.
Suggest Small Rifle primers (NOT small rifle MAGNUM) and Tru Blue powder.
Don't forget to SWAGE primer pockets with a POST TYPE tool.
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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by skyegod » 19 Aug 2014, 10:45

Lee Now makes a 5.7 Factory Crimp Die - It just got added to their roster ( I believe )

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Post by panzermk2 » 19 Aug 2014, 20:22

I would avoid LEE. They have been making 5.7 dies lately that are out of spec.
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Post by varmitsnightmare » 25 Aug 2014, 13:42

Its been a while, but I came back to check on a good bullet puller for single stage press? I assume a (collet?)type puller, but I want to make sure. My kinetic hammer puller with the shell holder attached works but kills the brass. I guess my lee dies are tight. Well and that I have 35 grainers that need pulled( Max load- not so brave anymore- bumping back down a 10th or 2) Any how saw the list at the beginning and had no puller listed? Whats my best choice that leaves the least amount of marks on the 5.7x28 brass and bullet?

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Post by grimmond » 25 Aug 2014, 14:24

I use the honady cam lock bullet puller in my Lee single stage press. It leaves no marks on the case because you use your standard shell holder. It can leave marks or dent the bullet depending on if you crimped it or not, and whether the bullet is soft.
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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by varmitsnightmare » 25 Aug 2014, 18:52

My case necks are really tight, it is like they are glued and crimped, and for some reason it makes me nervous beating a live round on the cement floor. I guess I am looking at wasting at least one part of the assembly. Bullet or case and primer? I know by what you said about a small dent ,that the lead free ballistic tip Noslers I am trying to pull will be crushed by the puller ( no shoulder to grab onto either). I might as well try it , can always use it on other calibers. I think Hornady is what the local shop has. Thanks, anything to make life easier( and cheaper) helps.....

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Post by jmz5 » 28 Aug 2014, 13:58

I use my seating die to press the bullets down a bit to break the glue seal before pulling them.
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Re: Reloading equipment for 5.7x28mm

Post by varmitsnightmare » 29 Aug 2014, 08:01

I know the factory loads are glued but does giving reloads a slight tap downward with the seater die help pulling them also? When I get a puller die ,I will try it both ways and see what happens. I have a few that was loaded in cold weather that is beating up the brass now that its warmer. At least that is what I'm blaming it on and not that I may have misread my homebrew data, I made while in the field testing

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