S4M Replacement S4Ti

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S4M Replacement S4Ti

Post by panzermk2 » 23 May 2016, 14:18

S4M Replacement S4Ti

Here are our new Ti cores for the replacement bullets for the S4M. Next to a S4M sectioned.

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Post by blueorison » 23 May 2016, 15:17

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Post by Rapier1772 » 24 May 2016, 12:23

Can't wait to see the performance data :D
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Re: S4M Replacement S4Ti

Post by Toaster » 10 Jun 2016, 03:04

New to the 5.7 world. Happy to join here and excited to see whats going on with EA. I signed up for the E-blast and will pay close attention to your updates. Very happy with the enthusiasm in this section.

Keep up the good work!

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Post by panzermk2 » 10 Jun 2016, 13:29

Cool thankyou!!!

I need to do more coffee chats to keep everyone up to speed, I desperately need an assistant but all capital for new hires are going to manufacturing.
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Re: S4M Replacement S4Ti

Post by Toaster » 14 Jun 2016, 01:02

Good! More manufacturing means a more rounds for sale. Meaning a few more minutes for me to make a purchase before they are gone! Hahah

Perhaps start offering pre-orders to help you gain some headroom to make your work easier.?
I know there are many like myself willing to send some funds your way to help further your business and ensure a purchase, in case I am at work or otherwise busy during time of release!

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Re: S4M Replacement S4Ti

Post by panzermk2 » 14 Jun 2016, 07:14

Soon, we have to fully integrate the brass into production. Most of you have noticed by now you are seeing a lot more ammo up more often in the last few weeks.
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Re: S4M Replacement S4Ti

Post by bruteandbear1 » 16 Jun 2016, 13:36

What will the grain weight be of this new S4Ti round? Will it still be 27 grains?

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Post by panzermk2 » 17 Jun 2016, 06:20

My target is 25gr but NO more then 27gr.
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Re: S4M Replacement S4Ti

Post by Toaster » 20 Aug 2016, 19:19

How are these looking?

Also when are you going to start loading S4M and T6B in your brass?

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Re: S4M Replacement S4Ti

Post by panzermk2 » 23 Aug 2016, 05:34

T6B has been shipping in our brass and S4M has been in both.


I am waiting on another alloyed core. Once it's in hand all I will start working on the jacket. Need to finish up getting our new 5.7 brass fully integrated into production.


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Re: S4M Replacement S4Ti

Post by Toaster » 23 Aug 2016, 13:29

Very cool! Im hoping to place a preorder for the T6B by the end of this week and hopefully get some of the brass before your next dry spell ;)

Curious what process you intend to use to jacket the bullets?

Keep up the good work with the Brass, Jay. It is a huge step in the progress of this caliber and I really look forward to it.

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Re: S4M Replacement S4Ti

Post by panzermk2 » 24 Aug 2016, 07:54

The jackets will be made from cups on the same exact machine that makes my brass. during the forming process the core will be inserted and then the hollow point portion of the bullet formed on top of it. This will be done at the same speed my brass is ran on the machine.



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Re: S4M Replacement S4Ti

Post by Toaster » 06 Sep 2016, 13:59

Oh nice, I didnt realize those machines have that much versatility! Engine machine shops have so much equipment that only does a few select procedures, must be nice.

I wanted to chime in and say I went out shooting yesterday and found some time to take out a few rounds of T6B and S4M into a rusty steel tank.

I fired from about 8-10 feet straight on adequate safety precautions.

The T6B created a 1/4 deep divot in the steel, out of the 3 that were fired, 1 fell off, and the other two embedded/fused to the metal in a splattered fashion. I did have a light primer strike on one, but I believe the firing pin channel was dirty from the few hundred rounds we shot through earlier. 2nd time set it off.

The S4M was much different. The copper jacket was absolutely nowhere to be found, but the aluminum core was melted and seemed pressed into the steel almost flush. The jacket we heard falling onto a nearby metal pole building roof, meaning the jacket had disintegrated and spread in a radial pattern roughly perpendicular to the impact. There was little to no observable deformation of the steel from the S4M, just a melted blob of aluminum. This made me really anxious to see the Ti core and how they would compare to the Al core.

Overall really cool stuff. For the Shenanigans I do (Shooting though old computers/steel targets/ etc) The T6B really cuts the cake. For soft targets, the S4M may be better, I havent done any pork shoulder tests. Buffman did. Looking foward to the Ti! I've inquired about <30gr .224 from various makes and they all seem to blow me off which is really irritating. But they seem to have no problem making .204 in that weight. So your our only hope for now!

I'll try to get pics of the impacts soon. Thanks again!

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Re: S4M Replacement S4Ti

Post by panzermk2 » 07 Sep 2016, 13:51

Sweet.

Yes the flat face of the Al. core and the open base of the jacket really hurt penetration. I have a massive collection of steel plates that ether the T6B goes through, welds into or creates a divot from hell and with a little tapping falls out.

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Re: S4M Replacement S4Ti

Post by PursuitSS » 21 Jan 2017, 14:18

Any updates on release date?

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Re: S4M Replacement S4Ti

Post by blueorison » 21 Jan 2017, 14:23

I still have IIIA panels that c1 sent me, can't wait to shoot these up.

Have been sitting on the latest rounds to test for over a year... time to go buy some clay from Michaels, soon?
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Re: S4M Replacement S4Ti

Post by panzermk2 » 23 Jan 2017, 09:37

PursuitSS wrote:Any updates on release date?
Time and capital.
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