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Re: Ft. Hood

Post by blueorison » 17 Jan 2010, 10:19

it splatters... magically reforms... then tumbles again....
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Re: Ft. Hood

Post by maxx3933 » 17 Jan 2010, 11:43

What I meant is the tip fragments then the projectile tumbles. I admit the word splatter
was a poor choice. :monkey:

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Re: Ft. Hood

Post by maxx3933 » 17 Jan 2010, 11:47

Which now I stand corrected the 195 and 192 round is the one that tumbles.

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Re: Ft. Hood

Post by f3rr37 » 17 Jan 2010, 13:27

maxx3933 wrote:What I meant is the tip fragments then the projectile tumbles. I admit the word splatter was a poor choice. :monkey:
The tip is just plastic, it really doesn't do much more than help the BC (ballistic co-efficient) and with fragmentation. The SS192, T194, SS195, SS198 (FN Restricts to LEO), and EA's super/ultraRapTOR, all use the same projectile that tumbles.

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Re: Ft. Hood

Post by maxx3933 » 17 Jan 2010, 14:08

Thanks for the info on the rounds. Much appreciated.

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Post by f3rr37 » 17 Jan 2010, 15:39

Its what we're here for :)

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Post by Llagoud » 21 Jan 2010, 18:01

http://homelandsecurityus.com/?p=3429

No mention of Islam in official Ft. Hood report.

They do however get around to questioning the wisdom of allowing private ownership of firearms. :skep:

20 January 2010: On 15 January, 2009, the U.S. Military released its 86-page report “Protecting the Force, Lessons Learned from Fort Hood,” an independent review by the Department of Defense of the causes behind the November 5, 2009 massacre by Islamic terrorist insider Nidal Malik HASAN. Thirteen were murdered, plus one unborn child and another 43 were injured.

Omitted from the report was any direct reference to Islam, Islamic terrorism, or the motives of HASAN, which were clearly influenced by his beliefs or interpretation of the Muslim ideology. These obvious omissions were explained by two of the report’s authors, former Army Secretary Togo West and former Navy’s Admiral, Vernon Clark, who spoke to reporters last week when the report was released. According to the investigators, they didn’t “drill down into HASAN’s motives.” Any person of reason would be compelled to ask why motive was not a factor in this investigation, when it must be considered as one of the primary factors in any normal investigation.
The fact that the authors intentionally omitted any doctrinal based assessment of the killings should be an indictment of not only the authors, but of our current administration. To purposely omit the Islamic motivation that was the sole basis of HASAN’s murderous rampage is not only disingenuous, but traitorous as it places our armed forces at risk for future killings, sabotage, and treason. Therefore, the report is either a clear exhibit of our senior leadership’s knowledge deficit pertaining to the ideology of enemy we are fighting, or illustrates just how deeply entrenched the enemy really is within our military infrastructure and political bodies of policy and oversight.

Perhaps even more disturbing than the reports omission of “Islam” or “radical Islam” within the report, the authors broadly imply that adherents to all religions are equally influenced to the possibility of radicalization. Recommendation 2.7 therefore suggests that Department of Defense (DoD) should “Promptly establish standards and reporting procedures that clarify guidelines for religious accommodation.” To argue in favor of this possibility is to completely ignore that Islam is unique among all other religions as its fundamental doctrine requires its adherents to wage war against non-Muslims or unbelievers, a fact that is not a hijacking of the faith, but mandated by the Qur’an and Hadith that is currently supported by every school of Islamic jurisprudence
Yet another disturbing recommendation is contained in section 3.8 of the report. The authors also recommend a policy directing the Department of Defense to “review the need for DoD privately owned weapons policy,” somehow suggesting private gun ownership by members of the most heavily armed organization in the world might have been a contributing factor to the Fort Hood massacre. The fact that this subject was even given consideration should be disturbing to every individual concerned with their Second Amendment rights and suggests an agenda well above the scope of this investigation.

To deny or fail to address our enemy’s motivation and their own stated doctrine is unacceptable and will only embolden their will and strengthen their abilities of infiltration. To incorporate all other religions and to state the need to review private gun ownership of military personnel into the Fort Hood threat assessment has more serious overtones of a shadowy agenda that is at war with democracy.

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Re: Ft. Hood

Post by User42 » 21 Jan 2010, 18:39

You have got to be kidding me. Wrong on so many levels, I can't even begin.

I do have one question though. Who writes this garbage? Is it even possible that the people reviewing this case are that clueless? Here is another point they missed, did he wear glasses during the attack? If so lets ban glasses, so a potential homicidal maniac can't see to shoot straight.
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Post by fatherfoof » 21 Jan 2010, 18:47

Newt Gingrich spoke on the incident, and talked about nonrotarians. He explained since Obama won't tolerate the word terrorist, nor islam, muslim and the like, what he finds all the murders had in common is they do not belong to the local Rotary Club. He made his point about whether this administration really is serious about all this.
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Post by jgreenberg01 » 20 Aug 2010, 17:57

Fort Hood Shooting Puts Focus on 'Internal Threat'

(Aug. 20) -- More than nine months after the Fort Hood, Texas, massacre, Defense Secretary Robert Gates has ordered a series of changes meant to prevent such incidents.

In a 26-page memo released today and signed Aug. 18, Gates ordered a series of procedural and policy changes that focus on identifying, responding to and preventing potential workplace violence.
Entire article: http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/r ... e/19602428

Yes because we all know that this was a case of simple WORKPLACE VIOLENCE...

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Post by CenCalSplicer » 20 Aug 2010, 20:26

Don't you get it??? 26 pg memo's and sensitivity training will prevent future wackjobs from entering violence free zones and murdering innocent people. Instead of range time and allowing people(especially on military bases) to defend themselves they will get class lecture time. Everyone knew habib was a nutcase working with soldiers(poorly) and no one wanted to say anything for fear of being labeled a racist. That is how he used our PC system against us and innocent people are dead.

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 12 Oct 2010, 04:26

Fort Hood Rampage Victims to Face Hasan in Court

And so it begins. It will be interesting to see how the media reports on this (or what they don't report). Here's a quote from the article, I gotta figure that there's no chance of this happening, but then again, OJ got off...
Hasan's lawyer, retired Army Col. John Galligan, has hinted that he could pursue an insanity defense. "If there's a sanity board issue enough that presents a realistic mental responsibility issue, we could be talking about the possibility of an acquittal," Galligan told the Express-News.
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/f ... t/19670286
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Post by Rapier1772 » 12 Oct 2010, 04:36

I'd bet he'd live longer without the insanity plea
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Post by flyingirish04 » 13 Oct 2010, 08:02

jgreenberg01 wrote:Fort Hood Rampage Victims to Face Hasan in Court

And so it begins. It will be interesting to see how the media reports on this (or what they don't report). Here's a quote from the article, I gotta figure that there's no chance of this happening, but then again, OJ got off...
Hasan's lawyer, retired Army Col. John Galligan, has hinted that he could pursue an insanity defense. "If there's a sanity board issue enough that presents a realistic mental responsibility issue, we could be talking about the possibility of an acquittal," Galligan told the Express-News.
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/f ... t/19670286
Pretty sure UCMJ will not allow an insanity plea, or I should say it won't punish differently on the basis of insanity. If this were a civilian court of law, then the lawyer is right.
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Re: Ft. Hood

Post by User42 » 13 Oct 2010, 11:17

I think it should be treated as a war crime. We are still in the "war on terror" (tm), and he decided to become a terrorist. It doesn't matter if he did it for Islam, as even if he renounced his religion the day before he would still be a mass murderer. Insanity might be true, but it should not be a reasonable defence (as in get out of jail free card) for what he did.
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Post by buckett » 13 Oct 2010, 15:05

User42 wrote:I think it should be treated as a war crime. We are still in the "war on terror" (tm), and he decided to become a terrorist. It doesn't matter if he did it for Islam, as even if he renounced his religion the day before he would still be a mass murderer. Insanity might be true, but it should not be a reasonable defence (as in get out of jail free card) for what he did.
I agree 100%. There is no excuse for what he did. Period.
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Post by RC57 » 14 Oct 2010, 10:04

My question is, which gun is the older-fashioned pistol that takes a magazine from the quote below?

The 357 revolver, or the FiveseveN? :skep:

"As soon as I turned I saw Maj. Hasan behind me. He was holding an older-fashioned pistol. As soon as I looked at him, he brought his magazine up and loaded it. He looked straight down at me, we made eye contact, and he brought his weapon down toward me. I turned on him, and the weapon fired. It hit me in the left shoulder, my arm went limp," Stratton said. "I couldn't feel it at all."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/13/tex ... Stories%29

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Post by blueorison » 20 Oct 2010, 22:23

Terrorist. Burn them all. The Bible says to wish peace and love upon your enemies. I wish them to be peaceful 6 feet under.

And he had BOTH red and green Lasermax? So he stacked one under the other? AND he had 30 round mags? This terrorist might as well be a barf.com fanboy, may he burn with them.

Sorry to get off topic. Back on topic, I hope he goes to prison, he won't last long.
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Re: Ft. Hood

Post by Buffman » 20 Oct 2010, 22:28

214 rounds and 6 magazines?? Even expending the one in the gun doesn't come out equal. did he fire the revolver?

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