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Re: Ft. Hood

Post by Rapier1772 » 24 Nov 2009, 17:52

I've seen it posted by an unreliable source that it was the mil 190. But, they had the pic from wikipedia with the blue tips :lmao:
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Re: Ft. Hood

Post by Wollychop » 24 Nov 2009, 18:28

Remember that SS190 is very difficult to obtain. As he purchased the weapon legally at a gun store he probably also just bought what was on the shelves.

Some folks might come to the conclusion that since he is military he would have access to the SS190. Even IF Fort Hood had units on the installation equipped with 5.7x28mm platforms, it's not like he could just go to their ASP and walk out with a case. Unless he purchased some SS190 off gunbroker at hundreds of dollars a box, I highly doubt that he used the AP.

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Re: Ft. Hood

Post by msw » 25 Nov 2009, 12:26

I've looked all over and couldn't find it. Frankly, like many others, I'm amazed there hasn't been more media coverage on this infamous, cop-killing, caliber. (Yes--that was sarcasm for those who might not be certain)

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Post by SeaHawkDriver-B » 25 Nov 2009, 14:36

A simple Glock17 with +2 extension holds what... 19 rounds, maybe more, I've heard guys say up to 20 in a G17 +1 in the chamber. The FiveseveN isn't that unique when it comes to capacity, plenty of makes out there can stuff lots of lead. With factory loads the only adavantage he had with the FsN is low recoil to keep on target, there was NO AP-capability, nor was there any needed; in fact, if he had used something like .40 short-n-weak in JHP he probably would have had a lot more killed and less wounded.

Highly doubt that a token islamic doctor had any access to gov't issue ammo whatsoever. The closest he would have come to ammo was maybe an annual qual on the base range. I've never even seen a P90 used by MP's or base guards; most people just watch McGyver twirl one around on SG1 :laugh: .

Even if you're on an Army shooting range they do a pretty thorough brass count, and SHOULD do a search of your person for any remaining live rounds. Last year I did 7 quals on Fort Jackson and they've put procedures in place to make it very difficult for anyone to walk out of there with live rounds.

I think as soon as the libs do their research the backlash on the FsN will stop, becuase they know their arguments and propganda claims won't hold up to the facts.

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Post by gw45acp » 25 Nov 2009, 14:59

Lib arguments rarely have any basis in fact. The Brady Bunch will continue to spread their propaganda and lies as long as they have the funding.
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Post by blueorison » 25 Nov 2009, 17:09

I never understood why people keep referring to FsN mags as "hi-cap". This is bs. CZ's and other older generation 9mm guns have had 16-19 round capacities, including the aforementioned glocks, etc.

1 or 2 more rounds with the FsN mags isn't a great big deal especially since it's such a wimpy caliber compared to 9x19.

Seriously doubt he got ss190. Most likely 192 or 197
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Post by EARS » 25 Nov 2009, 17:42

"High Cap" came as the result of the Brady Bill. It generally referres to any magazine that can hold over 10 rounds.

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Post by Wollychop » 25 Nov 2009, 17:52

The Bradys had help, even from inside the industry. Ol' Ruger comes to mind.

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Post by Cyberfly » 26 Nov 2009, 01:17

And now their newest release, the SR9 has a 17+1 capacity. Nice. :huh:
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Re: Ft. Hood

Post by helodad » 11 Jan 2010, 12:44

so 197 or 192 anyone, anyone. :ponder:

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Post by f3rr37 » 11 Jan 2010, 12:49

SS197 is my bet.

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Post by gw45acp » 11 Jan 2010, 13:33

If it wasn't SS197, I would be very surprised.
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Post by maxx3933 » 16 Jan 2010, 22:34

I would say he used the SS197. That round with the polymer tip splatters on impact and then
tumbles creating a grievious wound cavity. That would be my choice for stopping power of this
round in a situation no vests or armor are worn. If vest and armor were worn then the SS190
would be the practical choice. But for most us out here...I think the SS197 really works.

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Post by panzermk2 » 16 Jan 2010, 23:16

Except the SS197 does not tumble. The other commonly available rounds SS195 and SS192 are the ones that tumble.
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Post by f3rr37 » 17 Jan 2010, 00:06

maxx3933 wrote:That round with the polymer tip splatters on impact and then tumbles creating a grievious wound cavity.
LOL, that doesn't even make any sense... how does a round both splatter and tumble?

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Post by Rapier1772 » 17 Jan 2010, 07:22

Fuzzy - the splat frags tumble
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Post by panzermk2 » 17 Jan 2010, 07:58

You get three wound channels. A small 4 inch from the polymer tip, The lead core and the third which is the jacket. The lead core gets the most penetration.





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Re: Ft. Hood

Post by maxx3933 » 17 Jan 2010, 08:33

LOL my bad...I'm relatively new to this Five-Seven addiction. Between the SS192 or SS195 which
does more damage?

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Re: Ft. Hood

Post by panzermk2 » 17 Jan 2010, 09:15

Other then batch to batch velocity differences they perform about the same.

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Re: Ft. Hood

Post by maxx3933 » 17 Jan 2010, 09:49

Thanks for the info. I've got a good stash of both SS192 and SS197. My next investment will
probably be Elite Ammo.

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