Gun Control: The Final Solution?

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Post by Rapier1772 » 25 Jan 2013, 12:16

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/bide ... itics.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Biden on self-defense: Get yourself a shotgun
"Guess what? A shotgun will keep you a lot safer, a double-barreled shotgun, than the assault weapon in somebody’s hands [who] doesn’t know how to use it, even one who does know how to use it,” the outspoken vice president, a shotgun owner himself, replied. “It’s harder to use an assault weapon to hit something than it is a shotgun. You want to keep people away in an earthquake? Buy some shotgun shells.”
Shotguns have their uses but if they were truly the end all defense weapon, why do our (and everyone else's) police & military, and citizens (where allowed) have so many different platforms available?
Each has it's preferred, and most efficient, use.

But if you think about it - shotguns are typically bulky & therefore hard to conceal, use (relatively) large ammo, have limited capacity, and a limited effective range. It's the ideal gun for gun grabbers to allow (for now).

We're going back to bows & arrows guys, get practicing.
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Post by jgreenberg01 » 25 Jan 2013, 12:22

Or rocks ala Blue.
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Post by jgreenberg01 » 25 Jan 2013, 13:39

I had written my representatives a couple of weeks ago and just got this response from Marco Rubio:
Dear Mr. Greenberg,



Thank you for writing me regarding the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. I understand this is an important issue and I appreciate hearing your thoughts.



The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." I hold the fundamental belief the Second Amendment should not be altered. At the same time, I have always been open to measures that would keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill.



In light of the recent tragedies, some have suggested restricting gun ownership and have suggested ways to curb gun violence. I am always open to ideas on how to stop violent crimes, however I have concerns when these suggestions are solely directed toward restricting gun ownership. Given the Constitution's clear stance on gun ownership, I will continue to support an individual's right to own firearms.



It is an honor and a privilege to serve you as your United States Senator. I appreciate you offering your opinion on this issue. If I can ever be of any assistance to you, please do not hesitate to contact me.






Sincerely,

Marco Rubio
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Post by Mister Freeze » 25 Jan 2013, 14:45

Rapier1772 wrote: Shotguns have their uses but if they were truly the end all defense weapon, why do our (and everyone else's) police & military, and citizens (where allowed) have so many different platforms available?
Each has it's preferred, and most efficient, use.

But if you think about it - shotguns are typically bulky & therefore hard to conceal, use (relatively) large ammo, have limited capacity, and a limited effective range. It's the ideal gun for gun grabbers to allow (for now).

We're going back to bows & arrows guys, get practicing.
Not necessarily. Saiga 12. AR-12. AA12. KSG... However, you're right, why don't soldiers around the world carry shotguns? Some do, but most don't.

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New NRA ad:

Ouchie :thumb:
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Post by jgreenberg01 » 21 Feb 2013, 05:16

I like that, gonna steal it for my FB page. Can't wait to see how my NY friends/relatives try to take that apart...
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Stolen as well

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 25 Feb 2013, 17:32

I wanted to try the green screen and I figured what better subject could there be?




Joe Biden makes it so easy...
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Another Biden parody

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 10 Mar 2013, 14:34

This is a wonderful, impassioned speech. He's 100% correct: the term "gun control" is not correct. It's "people control". Don't let anyone tell you otherwise!

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Post by Rapier1772 » 11 Mar 2013, 19:39

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-1 ... cmpid=yhoo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Bear Arms (excerpt)
Wearing bulletproof vests and carrying 40-caliber Glock pistols, nine California Justice Department agents assembled outside a ranch-style house in a suburb east of Los Angeles. They were looking for a gun owner who’d recently spent two days in a mental hospital. They knocked on the door and asked to come in. About 45 minutes later, they came away peacefully with three firearms.

California is the only state that tracks and disarms people with legally registered guns who have lost the right to own them, according to Attorney General Kamala Harris. Almost 20,000 gun owners in the state are prohibited from possessing firearms, including convicted felons, those under a domestic violence restraining order or deemed mental unstable.

“What do we do about the guns that are already in the hands of persons who, by law, are considered too dangerous to possess them?” Harris said in a letter to Vice President Joe Biden after a Connecticut school shooting in December left 26 dead. She recommended that Biden, heading a White House review of gun policy, consider California as a national model.

As many as 200,000 people nationwide may no longer be qualified to own firearms, according to Garen Wintemute, director of the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis. Other states may lack confiscation programs because they don’t track purchases as closely as California, which requires most weapons sales go through a licensed dealer and be reported.

“Very, very few states have an archive of firearm owners like we have,” said Wintemute, who helped set up the program.
Let's make sure the tracking policy never leaves PRK.

Also, if their policy is so freakin' effective & wonderful, why do so many criminals have guns down there?
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Rapier1772 wrote: Also, if their policy is so freakin' effective & wonderful, why do so many criminals have guns down there?
Maybe criminals will get them like this?
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Post by Rapier1772 » 11 Mar 2013, 21:42

Lies! Lies I say! That could never happen in a state with such control over firearms and who has them!
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Also in the California news today: a bill to ban all lead-containing bullets was introduced in California legislature. The environmentalists say that it is needed to protect the predators who feed on shot carcasses from lead poisoning. This is in spite of the acknowledgement that: "... incidences of poisoning have not declined despite a ban since 2008 on the use of lead ammunition in the eight-county area where condor recovery is under way". Don't let fact sway your opinion!

Think about it.... The Constitution doesn't say anything about ammunition. Since the Feds take a dim view of suitable bullet-making alternatives such as brass, banning all ammo is the perfect way to circumvent the intent of the 2nd.

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Post by huddleston101 » 19 Mar 2013, 15:36

jgreenberg01 wrote:This is a wonderful, impassioned speech. He's 100% correct: the term "gun control" is not correct. It's "people control". Don't let anyone tell you otherwise!

this guy is so wright 110% so I thought this post needed a bump so more people might get a chance to see it.
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Post by Rapier1772 » 20 Mar 2013, 12:52

http://news.yahoo.com/cowardly-congress ... itics.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Cowardly Congress, Ruthless NRA, and an Impotent Obama Conspire Against Assault-Weapons Ban"

I have comments but they aren't fit for a public venue such as this.... :furious:
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Gun Control - Watch What Happens When Guns Are Banned.


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Post by huddleston101 » 30 Apr 2013, 10:28

:skep: damn is Obama running Australia too :facepalm: :ponder:
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Australia happened before bambam got in office
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Post by jgreenberg01 » 30 Apr 2013, 10:49

Yep, that video has been around for a long time. Even so, it is still an important cautionary tale.
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Speaking of Australian gun control, we can see here just how effective it is: (vid at link)
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When a masked and armed would-be robber stormed into a McDonald's in Melbourne, Australia, he quickly made the customers move to the floor and began emptying the cash registers. However when he put his gun down to stuff his bag with money he ended up getting overpowered by two brave customers who saw their opportunity to prevent the crime and took swift action.
I guess the effectiveness is measured in the would be robber's inexperience at theft?
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Post by Rapier1772 » 09 Jul 2013, 03:59

This would really make me feel safer knowing how guns are illegal in Chicago (sarcasm)

Chicago Shootings: 12 Killed, At Least 62 Wounded In Gun Violence Over Long Holiday Weekend
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I am surprised that it took this long but I knew it would happen.

http://news.yahoo.com/man-illegally-fir ... itics.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A Washington state man who illegally fired a shotgun blamed his action on a piece of advice doled out by Vice President Joe Biden earlier this year.
"I did what Joe Biden told me to do," Jeffrey Barton told Washington affiliate KOIN. "I went outside and fired my shotgun in the air."
This just proves how stupid biden's comments were, someone did as he said and got arrested. If I were on the jury, I would let Barton go just because biden said to do it. He was following the orders of the vice-president.

What I am curious about though is if Barton is just as dense as biden for blindly following the advice or did he do it to show how stupid biden's comments were, knowing they could land him in jail?

There isn't much to the story yet though, I am curious how this will pan out.
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Post by jgreenberg01 » 19 Jul 2013, 04:26

I'm with you, this should be an interesting story to follow, regardless of the outcome. If I were to guess though, he is using the "Biden advice" defense as an afterthought to prove a point.

I dunno, he (Biden) may have a point though - after all he is just one heartbeat away from the presidency. He must know what he's talking about. Oh wait...
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Post by ddouglas » 19 Jul 2013, 06:04

I saw the story the other day on Daily Caller or some such site. The reader's comments were almost unanimous in condemning the guy and calling him an idiot. But I think the reader's missed the point and I agree with Greenberg: the guy did it with a sense of humor and to make a point. He should demand a trial and he should use Biden's lunatic advice as his primary defense to make the very good point that both the advice and Joe Biden have equal value.

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http://news.yahoo.com/chicago-murder-ca ... 22290.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Chicago now murder capital of U.S., FBI says
According to new crime statistics released this week by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Chicago had more homicides in 2012 than any other city in the country. There were 500 murders in Chicago last year, the FBI said, surpassing New York City, which had 419.
In 2011, there were 515 homicides in the Big Apple, compared with the 431 in Chicago.
Why can't people see something so obvious? The places with the highest murder rates also have major gun control - it's what SHOULD be a no brainer :wall:
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Post by grimmond » 19 Sep 2013, 20:23

:agree: Should be obvious, but you cannot show an anti gun liberal facts and them accept it. :wall: It goes against their very nature. Of course this is just my bias because I'm sure some liberal will come out and claim to love guns. :skep:
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Post by Rapier1772 » 01 Dec 2014, 06:40

Y'all remember this story from July 2013?
Rapier1772 wrote:I am surprised that it took this long but I knew it would happen.

http://news.yahoo.com/man-illegally-fir ... itics.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A Washington state man who illegally fired a shotgun blamed his action on a piece of advice doled out by Vice President Joe Biden earlier this year.
"I did what Joe Biden told me to do," Jeffrey Barton told Washington affiliate KOIN. "I went outside and fired my shotgun in the air."
This just proves how stupid biden's comments were, someone did as he said and got arrested. If I were on the jury, I would let Barton go just because biden said to do it. He was following the orders of the vice-president.

What I am curious about though is if Barton is just as dense as biden for blindly following the advice or did he do it to show how stupid biden's comments were, knowing they could land him in jail?

There isn't much to the story yet though, I am curious how this will pan out.
I was curious so I looked it up to see if anything had been done. They dropped the gun charges, however they are still trying to charge him with obstructing an officer.
http://www.guns.com/2014/08/22/gun-char ... n-defense/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Oh, and from the looks of it, he did fire the shotgun to scare off would be crooks but the biden defense strategy was a political statement. He showed up for court with a shirt that said "Joe Biden Owes Me."
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