UPDATED 09/11 ATF Determination on Barnes Banded Solids

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UPDATED 09/11 ATF Determination on Barnes Banded Solids

Post by Buffman » 18 Sep 2011, 18:01

Someone should sticky this. If the wrong sub forum I apologize.

This is a recent letter from the ATF, retracting the 2008 letter that BBS wasn't "brass" and therefore not AP in a handgun..
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Post by flyingirish04 » 18 Sep 2011, 18:24

Barnes has bulldog lawyers. That is the only thing that this proves. That and the BATFE is full of incompetent morons, but we didn't need anymore proof of that.
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Post by panzermk2wife » 18 Sep 2011, 19:30

I will reserve my comments for a later date

But I am sure all of you know EXACTLY how feel about the ATF and others.
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Post by MikeSantor » 19 Sep 2011, 05:56

Ok so im not the brightest crayon in the tool shed but am I understanding this correct? basically you can have a bullet made of pure copper but it becomes AP as soon as you add other metals too it? Am I understanding this correct? So no berrylium coppers, tellurium coppers, etc?

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Re: UPDATED 09/11 ATF Determination on Barnes Banded Solids

Post by User42 » 19 Sep 2011, 21:36

Looks to me like the person that signed the approval letter in 2008 didn't know what brass was made from. It's not water, its Di-hydrogen Monoxide!
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Re: UPDATED 09/11 ATF Determination on Barnes Banded Solids

Post by eVenom » 20 Sep 2011, 02:24

User42 wrote:It's not water, its Di-hydrogen Monoxide!
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Re: UPDATED 09/11 ATF Determination on Barnes Banded Solids

Post by 03clyde » 22 Jan 2012, 14:41

Huh??

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Post by flyingirish04 » 22 Jan 2012, 15:38

H2O is Dihydrogen Monoxide is water. Brass is copper alloy. It isn't funny when you have to explain it.
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Post by User42 » 29 Jan 2012, 15:51

http://www.dhmo.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Give that link to troll any overly paranoid friend. For some awesome quotes check the FAQ "DHMO is a major component of acid rain"
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Post by blueorison » 29 Jan 2012, 16:01

User42 wrote:http://www.dhmo.org/

Give that link to troll any overly paranoid friend. For some awesome quotes check the FAQ "DHMO is a major component of acid rain"
How apropos. There are a tonne of paranoid OCD people on this forum, I can already here them stocking up on more AR15 magazines to add to their collection because of that link. :lmao:

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Post by MikeSantor » 29 Jan 2012, 16:15

blueorison wrote: When the end of the world comes, they will be laughing at me. For about a couple of days. :cya:
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Post by flyingirish04 » 30 Jan 2012, 09:08

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Post by Mister Freeze » 30 Jan 2012, 11:11

"As you may be aware, copper and zinc are COMPONENTS of brass... the ammunition is constructed ENTIRELY of brass..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass#Brass_types" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

By ATF logic, ammunition made with anything more than trace ammounts of copper, zinc, tin, iron, aluminum, lead, manganese, nickel, or silver is classified as AP. That means werewolf killers and ANY ammo containing lead OR copper, being COMPONENTS of brass, are ENTIRELY made of brass and therefore AP. Mentioning BRASS in the statute acts as a catch-all for most metals suitable for bulletmaking.

A backup catch-all is the phrase "may be fired from a handgun."

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Post by SeaHawkDriver-B » 30 Jan 2012, 11:58

I jsut want to know who the hell makes a .308 caliber handgun... pisses me off I can't buy AP for a friggin .308 rifle, granted a stanard 7.62 Ball will punch through about a half inch of cold rolled steel, but put it against the hardened stuff and it flops.

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Post by flyingirish04 » 30 Jan 2012, 12:11

Yes, it really is stupid Seahawk That is essentially why posters that claim it is reasonable to restrict on type of ammo over another, are treated with such ire by me on this forum. They live in a pseudo-intellectual world that has them in their own minds thinking they are some benevolent middle of the roaders, when they are nothing more than the sheep allowing the ATF to be idiots under the guise of 'being reasonable'.

It is stupidity on parade and all gun owners and enthusiasts should know better. Gun companies are forced to restrict ammo based on stupid bureaucrats and vague laws that give them unchecked power. It is a tragedy.
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Post by firestorm248 » 30 Jan 2012, 12:32

Do we have to bring it here too Irish? seriously?

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Post by MikeSantor » 30 Jan 2012, 13:00

SeaHawkDriver-B wrote:I jsut want to know who the hell makes a .308 caliber handgun... pisses me off I can't buy AP for a friggin .308 rifle, granted a stanard 7.62 Ball will punch through about a half inch of cold rolled steel, but put it against the hardened stuff and it flops.
I have been reading a lot about this the last few (restless) nights. From what I understand, you can buy AP bullets but not loaded ammo. SoOoOo, I have been looking at .308 Die sets. I guess if you want AP .308 you just have to load it yourself.

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Re: UPDATED 09/11 ATF Determination on Barnes Banded Solids

Post by Rapier1772 » 30 Jan 2012, 13:16

SeaHawkDriver-B wrote:I jsut want to know who the hell makes a .308 caliber handgun... pisses me off I can't buy AP for a friggin .308 rifle, granted a stanard 7.62 Ball will punch through about a half inch of cold rolled steel, but put it against the hardened stuff and it flops.
As I understand it, its not that someone makes a .308 handgun but that someone makes a .308 gun which can be classified as a handgun.
When people started putting SBRs on AR lowers & removing the stock - these became classified as handguns. Now anything that can fit on an AR lower can be considered a handgun - including 6.5, 6.8, .308...

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Re: UPDATED 09/11 ATF Determination on Barnes Banded Solids

Post by flyingirish04 » 30 Jan 2012, 13:19

They make a 500 Nitro pistol. Doesn't mean it is a pistol round. Furthermore, why are we classifying ammo at all???
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Re: UPDATED 09/11 ATF Determination on Barnes Banded Solids

Post by flyingirish04 » 30 Jan 2012, 13:19

firestorm248 wrote:Do we have to bring it here too Irish? seriously?

:p I did, I did. :laugh:
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