Flower identification
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Winchester Silvertip?
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Negative.Buffman wrote:Winchester Silvertip?
As a hint: the caliber is .308 and pay attention to the bottom of the bullet in the one snap as there is a very unique mark.
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Wow - very close! Not Federal TROPHY Bonded Tip, but it is Federal TACTICAL Bonded Tip.500SWfan wrote:fd57 wrote: Federal Trophy Bonded Tip?
But I will give it to you because the bullet is almost identical, the only differences are the tips and the weight (Trophy is 165gr and Tactical is 168gr). Of course in a court of law or the scientific community I would have to say "no soup for you!". LOL
This is actually a fantastic round. It penetrates and really stays true.
Can we know how you came to your answer of Trophy Bonded Tip?
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The "T" on the base of the bullet reminded me of the Trophy Bonded Tip, and I knew they were nickel plated. I haven't run across the Tactical Bonded Tip.
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Yeah the "T" is a unique identifier for sure. Putting the projectiles though auto glass while keeping centered is easy. These really stay true. I understand the 165gr trophy hunting variety is a knock down round.500SWfan wrote:The "T" on the base of the bullet reminded me of the Trophy Bonded Tip, and I knew they were nickel plated. I haven't run across the Tactical Bonded Tip.
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golden saber?
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:agree: That was my guess with its terrible expansion rate.
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ARGH Buffman! These are your Winchester Silvertips! Thought I'd throw 'em up since you guessed them earlierBuffman wrote:golden saber?
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Ranger T, SXT?
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Nah. But you're in the right family (Winchester).Buffman wrote:Ranger T, SXT?
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I would have guessed "T" series too. It is the same as the old "Black Talon" bullet but without the black coating.
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Not a T series variant of Ranger or PDX1.
They are Winchester's 240gr platinum tip hollow point (PTHP) bullets. They sport a notched reversed tapered jacket with a 2-part hollow point cavity. Great for black bear, boar, mule deer, etc..
They are Winchester's 240gr platinum tip hollow point (PTHP) bullets. They sport a notched reversed tapered jacket with a 2-part hollow point cavity. Great for black bear, boar, mule deer, etc..
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Some easy, some hard :-)
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You have larger photos to help view the bullets?Hobknob wrote:
Some easy, some hard :-)
The second from the left appears to be a Hornady bullet (red plug).
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Correct, the second is a Hornady Critical Defense.fd57 wrote:You have larger photos to help view the bullets?Hobknob wrote:
Some easy, some hard :-)
The second from the left appears to be a Hornady bullet (red plug).
For reference, these were tests that I pulled the best and worst of each type during a test.
Sorry about the crappy pics, I lost the original crappy cell phone pics, and these were ones I had texted to a friend, so they're a bit degraded. Here is slightly bigger.
Here's another angle:
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jmz5 wrote:
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LOL as a liker of 10mm and forum owner you have seen those pics already.
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Left one Starfire?Hobknob wrote:
Some easy, some hard :-)
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So we said the second was Hornady.Hobknob wrote:
Some easy, some hard :-)
The first is PMC Starfire?
The third is Speer?
The fourth is Winchester?
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Bingo.fd57 wrote:So we said the second was Hornady.Hobknob wrote:
Some easy, some hard :-)
The first is PMC Starfire?
The third is Speer?
The fourth is Winchester?
PMC Starfire, Hornady Critical Duty, Speer Gold Dot, Winchester Ranger Bonded
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Yes I have! :laugh:panzermk2 wrote:jmz5 wrote:
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LOL as a liker of 10mm and forum owner you have seen those pics already.
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Hobknob wrote:Bingo.fd57 wrote:So we said the second was Hornady.Hobknob wrote:
Some easy, some hard :-)
The first is PMC Starfire?
The third is Speer?
The fourth is Winchester?
PMC Starfire, Hornady Critical Duty, Speer Gold Dot, Winchester Ranger Bonded
I found it difficult to identify the bullets based on the flowered bullets themselves. Be it the angle or the size no matter. Just was difficult. Especially the blob that was the Ranger. LOL
Honestly had you had just the flowered bullets I might have batted 500.
By including a loaded round you made it much easier, although still not easy. The red plug was easy to ID as Hornady (although you could have added a red plug to a different round to mess with folks!). The flower for Starfire is unique but the bullet mouth really identified that one, as did the Winchester. You can look at that last round and just immediately know it is a Winchester Ranger bullet based on the mouth and the thickness of the jacket.
Thanks for uploading!
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Glad to help outfd57 wrote:Hobknob wrote:Bingo.fd57 wrote:So we said the second was Hornady.Hobknob wrote: Some easy, some hard :-)
The first is PMC Starfire?
The third is Speer?
The fourth is Winchester?
PMC Starfire, Hornady Critical Duty, Speer Gold Dot, Winchester Ranger Bonded
I found it difficult to identify the bullets based on the flowered bullets themselves. Be it the angle or the size no matter. Just was difficult. Especially the blob that was the Ranger. LOL
Honestly had you had just the flowered bullets I might have batted 500.
By including a loaded round you made it much easier, although still not easy. The red plug was easy to ID as Hornady (although you could have added a red plug to a different round to mess with folks!). The flower for Starfire is unique but the bullet mouth really identified that one, as did the Winchester. You can look at that last round and just immediately know it is a Winchester Ranger bullet based on the mouth and the thickness of the jacket.
Thanks for uploading!
It's a fun game.
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I knew they were .224 cal. I didn't recognize the open base though, 'cause I haven't pulled the bullets on any of those rounds (yet).
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These were SS192 shot in the pond.500SWfan wrote:I knew they were .224 cal. I didn't recognize the open base though, 'cause I haven't pulled the bullets on any of those rounds (yet).
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I don't waste good ammo to make new ammo. :pfd57 wrote: Well I thought these would be a quick ID given that they are the SS192, SS195, and SS198 bullets. Where are the (re)loaders?!?!
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The only good ammo is ammo that spirals out from a barreljmz5 wrote:I don't waste good ammo to make new ammo. :pfd57 wrote: Well I thought these would be a quick ID given that they are the SS192, SS195, and SS198 bullets. Where are the (re)loaders?!?!
Test everything here. Into water (a lot of the spent bullets become jewelry), cars, household appliances (fridge, washing machine, etc.), clay, etc. Figure you have to cycle at least 50 rounds of any load for testing purposes.
But given the loaders and the Fn/FSN focus, I did think these would be identified right quick. Someone here has pulled SS192/5/8 if not to load then at least for curiosity. LOL
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To help with this one, it is a .308 round:
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This is Federal's Tactical TRU in 165gr. You can expect this fragmentation as per its design to penetrate but not over penetrate.fd57 wrote:To help with this one, it is a .308 round:
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Anyone? Bueller?
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Oh wait, maybe I do have an idea, is that Barnes tac-xp?fd57 wrote:Anyone? Bueller?
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definitely not Barnes. At least from all the recovered Barnes I've seen. Those petals ^ are fatter than barnes and there's some lines on the petals... HMM
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Yes these most recent ones are not Barnes. Two unique characteristics of these are the lines as Buffman pointed out as well as the "lips" (trough) at the petal end. The petals almost look like a scoop.
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Negative. But appreciate the interest and post.flyingirish04 wrote:Corbon Powerball or DPX?
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HINT: Newer bullet (IE, has only been around for a short while).
fd57 wrote:Anyone? Bueller?
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That's not a Cutting Edge bullet, is it?fd57 wrote:HINT: Newer bullet (IE, has only been around for a short while).
fd57 wrote:Anyone? Bueller?
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500SWfan wrote: That's not a Cutting Edge bullet, is it?
Nah, not a Cutting Edge bullet. Those look very different than these.
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Okay, to give up the goose, these are the C.O.P. bullets in 9mm. The Copper Only Projectiles bullet. The lines and the trough like petals are fairly unique to C.O.P. bullets.
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These should be a quick ID:
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AE 5.7 TMJ
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DING DING DING We've got a winner! Buffman strikes again!Buffman wrote:AE 5.7 TMJ
Maybe we should have prizes ...
These are Federal American Eagle 5.7x28 bullets fished from the pond.
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Barnes TSX
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Close, but no cigar. These aren't Barnes TSX.panzermk2 wrote:Barnes TSX
Now that said, the answer should come quick enough
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How about the MRX?fd57 wrote:Close, but no cigar. These aren't Barnes TSX.panzermk2 wrote:Barnes TSX
Now that said, the answer should come quick enough
Though they don't make them anymore, the bottom looks similar as does the fact that the copper stops at a metplat of sorts.
The LRX is another one that is possible.
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Bingo - winner. MRX! 180gr MRX by Barnes.Hobknob wrote:How about the MRX?fd57 wrote:Close, but no cigar. These aren't Barnes TSX.panzermk2 wrote:Barnes TSX
Now that said, the answer should come quick enough
Though they don't make them anymore, the bottom looks similar as does the fact that the copper stops at a metplat of sorts.
The LRX is another one that is possible.
The MRX is a sweet bullet. The silvex core (instead of lead) allowed for deep penetration and a shorter bullet (compared to TSX).
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Yea, I'm a big fan of the MRX, just not a fan of the price tag associated with themfd57 wrote:Bingo - winner. MRX! 180gr MRX by Barnes.Hobknob wrote:How about the MRX?fd57 wrote:Close, but no cigar. These aren't Barnes TSX.panzermk2 wrote:Barnes TSX
Now that said, the answer should come quick enough
Though they don't make them anymore, the bottom looks similar as does the fact that the copper stops at a metplat of sorts.
The LRX is another one that is possible.
The MRX is a sweet bullet. The silvex core (instead of lead) allowed for deep penetration and a shorter bullet (compared to TSX).
The Silvex core was a tungsten based material if I remember right, making it heavier than lead.
I only have a couple of boxes left of them, so I've been using them even more sparingly than before.
Thanks for putting those pics up, it's kind of neat to see what bullets other folks are pushing!
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There's not an animal in North America that wouldn't fall by this 180gr MRX bullet.Hobknob wrote: Yea, I'm a big fan of the MRX, just not a fan of the price tag associated with them
The Silvex core was a tungsten based material if I remember right, making it heavier than lead.
I only have a couple of boxes left of them, so I've been using them even more sparingly than before.
Thanks for putting those pics up, it's kind of neat to see what bullets other folks are pushing!
You're right - their "silvex" was/is tungsten like and more dense, so the bullet was heavier than lead filled and could be shorter which allows for more powder.
On the Barnes blog/announcement area back before 2012 they announced no longer making the MRX. Lots of flack and questions why, speculation about the terminal ballistics capability (IE this projectile penetrates through and through), etc. Ultimately a Barnes rep responded that it was because of the price tag - past couple of years (leading up to 2012) more sales for TSX and less for MRX so Barnes decided to abandon MRX.
If you can find the loaded Vital Shok with the MRX bullet it's a great investment. Same for the remaining boxes of bullets. They're out there, just have to look.
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Black Talon
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No dice on the Black Talon but thanks for playingMister Freeze wrote:Black Talon
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Ranger SXT
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No dice on the Ranger SXT. Answer soon to follow.Mister Freeze wrote:Ranger SXT
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These are Winchester's Platinum Tip Hollow Point bullets. Shown here in .454 Casull. You can almost always link the sharp petals back to Winchester, and then the horseshoe shape of the petals back to the PTHP in large bore.
fd57 wrote:Any guesses?
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Jay what 5.7 round will I not find in that 4" deep pile? I think that would be the harder question.
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I know one round you won't find in there, Greenberg's Tactical Incendiary Tracking Seeking Neutralizing Ammunition (for) Selective Suppression. They basically disintegrate/vaporize on impact.
Not saying it wasn't tested, just that you won't be able to prove it :monkey:
Not saying it wasn't tested, just that you won't be able to prove it :monkey:
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grimmond wrote:Jay what 5.7 round will I not find in that 4" deep pile? I think that would be the harder question.
Every single 22 cal bullet from ANY available source including over seas manufactured under 72gr. Literally including older 22 hornet/bee/jet etc. discontinued bullets from decades ago.
Also every 9mm, 40, 44, and 45 from Montana Gold bullet, Federal, CCI and Hornady.
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Haha, I'm glad someone remembers that round!Rapier1772 wrote:I know one round you won't find in there, Greenberg's Tactical Incendiary Tracking Seeking Neutralizing Ammunition (for) Selective Suppression. They basically disintegrate/vaporize on impact.
Not saying it wasn't tested, just that you won't be able to prove it :monkey:
I want to do a Part Deux video, but I lost access to the private land that I can blow stuff up at. Sooner or later, the round will be like Ahnold though: back.
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So, I read that and was like, "Wow, that's a long name for a rou....really dude that spells out... -_- "Rapier1772 wrote:I know one round you won't find in there, Greenberg's Tactical Incendiary Tracking Seeking Neutralizing Ammunition (for) Selective Suppression. They basically disintegrate/vaporize on impact.
Not saying it wasn't tested, just that you won't be able to prove it :monkey:
I think I just self-nominated for the n00b award
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:lmao: Not to worry, we'll corrupt you soon enoughIberliner2027 wrote:So, I read that and was like, "Wow, that's a long name for a rou....really dude that spells out... -_- "Rapier1772 wrote:I know one round you won't find in there, Greenberg's Tactical Incendiary Tracking Seeking Neutralizing Ammunition (for) Selective Suppression. They basically disintegrate/vaporize on impact.
Not saying it wasn't tested, just that you won't be able to prove it :monkey:
I think I just self-nominated for the n00b award
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One more time for the noobs...
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Last time you posted that vid, it got the thread caged.
Public forum, keep it safe for work & kids.
So I'll warn y'all now - I'll delete any comments which would do that to this thread.MikeSantor wrote:You guys really thought this was going to stay civil in the open forum? We have the maturity level of a 16 year old here. That level drops to 14 If I post in the thread...
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Definitely worth a chuckle. Gotta spread the word to all the Speerwinremady enthusiasts I know and let em know they're now obsolete...
I personally carry Critical Defense in 40, cuz I can't afford the $26 a round this premium Tactical Incendiary Tracking stuff costs =P
I personally carry Critical Defense in 40, cuz I can't afford the $26 a round this premium Tactical Incendiary Tracking stuff costs =P
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Haven't we grown as adults since then though?Rapier1772 wrote:Last time you posted that vid, it got the thread caged.So I'll warn y'all now - I'll delete any comments which would do that to this thread.MikeSantor wrote:You guys really thought this was going to stay civil in the open forum? We have the maturity level of a 16 year old here. That level drops to 14 If I post in the thread...
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Not from what I've seen :p
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