Shooting EA Ammo (and others) Into Clay Blocks

[Ariac]

I want to see that 9mm test myself, I carry the 124gr +p gold dot myself daily.

[jgreenberg01]

What happened to the claims of the Fiveseven giving far superior terminal ballistics than any other pistol caliber? Didn't see that from the video, just like i didn't in the field testing on game. But i'm a troll..for pointing this fact out..lol. Looks likes someones busted Panzer. Wheres the dude now that was talking all that hydrostatic shock mess and its close to a rifle in performance? Since when is slightly less performance than a .45acp hydroshock round close to rifle territory? Or even a 10mm pistol? Its good performance for such a small round..all i'm saying is don't hype this thing up to more than it really is.

Opinions are like a$$holes: everyone has one. You are certainly welcome to express yours, and I actually thank you for doing so and you are not a troll for doing it. You are, however, acting troll-ish by the way you phrased it - it sounds like you are looking for a fight. Just my opinioin and please coreect me if I am wrong

I want to see that 9mm test myself, I carry the 124gr +p gold dot myself daily.

I'm going to go back and do the 9mm as well as SS197 test, but it will take a little time - my next day off is not until at least 4/27.

[panzermk2]

The only thing I have to say, since when does a .22mag make a hole .11 inch smaller in diameter than a .45 hollow point?

Who said anything about .22 mag? We were debating on another post on 5.7 not .22mag.I Never said it was a .22mag. But i also didn't claim, like some on here that it was vastly more of devasting a round than any common Sd round either. In fact i disputed this claim because i have first hand knowledge of how it performed in the field. Then i was called a liar and a troll. Now since the proof is out there the next move is to ignore me because thats what you do when you have egg in your face and can't defend your claims. But anyway i feel vindicated now..i'll move on

What proof of you having first hand knowledge of how it performed in the field?
A common SD round can be a .22mag or a .380.
Your only motive seems to be to attack EA. Have you ever shot their ammunition so as to be able to have "first hand" knowledge and actually be educated enough to speak on their rounds?

First off if my motive was to attack Ea. Why would i give their round ANY credit at all. If you read carefully i said it does pretty good for the size of the cartridge. I dont have a vendetta agaist Ea or the round if so i would have sold my gun a long time ago and not give any credit. Second i own a FSn and have both Fn factory ammo as well as Elite Ammunition ammo. I have no reason to get up here to lie..for what? Third all we have to do is go back to past posts on the other thread where this started and see that all the claims that were made by you and others did not hold up just like i said it wouldnt. So why would i need to prove anything when this video right here on your very own forum proves what i knew all along. If it cant outperform a .45 even in a clay block test . Tell me how it will outperform it in real world? Oh yeah i know the mystical hydrostatic shock theory :lmao:

Some time today Brass fetcher Ballistic labs will be putting up the in depth analysis of our S4M on THEIR website. Side by side comparison to the Federal 230 HS. Our S4m EXCEEDED the performance of the 45acp round.

http://www.brassfetcher.com/index_files/Page1293.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SO yes my claims have been held up unlike yours. Still waiting on at least a photoshop fake pic from you concerning the failure you had of the 5.7x28.

[DarkWater]

one thing some folks seem to tend to forget, clay does not equal gel. yes it's great for some rough comparisons, but you can hardly say that it it's simailr. 10 or 20% gel is mostly water (well I would guess 80 or 90% water..DUH)....the clay has very little water in it (quick google search foudn one link that satted 19-22.5%), thus hydrostatic shock impact will be very different in clay. I would also think the density of clay is quite different...now, no gel doesn't equal human flesh either, but it probably approximates it much better than clay would....(otherwise I think more people would use clay...). Muscle tissue contains 70-75%...fat on the other hand only ~ 10% (and I would speculate a bullet woudl travel further through fat than muscle...so how the water is restrained matters as well...)

still, for a gross comparison, I think the clay blocks are a neat way to compare different rounds, but we should be careful to draw conclusions, especially if the performance is not vastly different. I'm sure it would be possibe to design rounds that do "max" damage to a clay body, but those woudl probably perform equally well in a gel or human body...

[PainKillaX]

If you do this again, would you mind filling the blocks with water or something after you shoot but before you cut so we can see the volume of the wound channel. Just because the wounds were similar in diameter at the widest point doesn't mean they displaced the same amount of material is my thinking.

[ddouglas]

That's asking a lot, PainKilla. Can't you simply use the measurements provided together with your innate sense of spatial scale and the shape of cavity to make a guess at the volume? I can't see any real benefit to going through all that extra effort to address this.

[PainKillaX]

I could...I just like seeing more numbers

[jgreenberg01]

I suppose I could try it by plugging up any exit holes and filling the void prior to slicing it open. I could pour it out and measure how much water there was for comparison. I'm not sure if it would be useful, but it would be interesting... and messy. Very messy.

[PainKillaX]

True. It's definitely added work and possibly unnecessary, just something I thought of. Anyway, thanks for the excellent vids!

[fzr confused]

Since both the S5 and 45 exited, you can't measure the volume becuase they both were still going. Then you would have the penetration to take into account.

My next thought was, just because the clay shows the cavity bein only 5", doesnt mean that was it either. The clay expanded when hit with all the rounds, and then returned to resting shape. Getting a high speed camera here would help, because the clay pretty much shrinks back down so the S5 might actually cause a larger wound channel. At least that is my thought.

[panzermk2]

Also keep in mind with the S5 there where 3 different wound channels not jut one and that piece was in the block.

[ShockedNKansas]

jgreenberg01,

Thanks a lot for your effort in what was a very entertaining video. You looked like you had a lot of fun producing it. Also very professional btw, this doesn't look like your first effort in editing video.

[jgreenberg01]

Thanks Shocked... it was fun... shooting stuff is ALWAYS fun!!!

And yes, I've been playing around with video editing software for a while, I'm trying to put these things together in an entertaining way that will get people to actually sit through it.

[ShockedNKansas]

Thanks Shocked... it was fun... shooting stuff is ALWAYS fun!!!

And yes, I've been playing around with video editing software for a while, I'm trying to put these things together in an entertaining way that will get people to actually sit through it.

Cut to a hot babe every now and then and you've got me for at least 30mins (I'll even sit through commercials).

[jgreenberg01]

Thanks Shocked... it was fun... shooting stuff is ALWAYS fun!!!

And yes, I've been playing around with video editing software for a while, I'm trying to put these things together in an entertaining way that will get people to actually sit through it.

Cut to a hot babe every now and then and you've got me for at least 30mins (I'll even sit through commercials).

I don't know if you saw my Gun Porn Video (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10271&hilit=gun+porn) or not, but I have already lined up a couple of girls (very cute ones) to participate. It's just a matter of scheduling to get it done ...

[panzermk2wife]

:facepalm:

[Rapier1772]

Awwwww. See what you did greenberg, you made Lisa sad. You should have given her top billing for your next vid

[panzermk2wife]

Awwwww. See what you did greenberg, you made Lisa sad. You should have given her top billing for your next vid

No, that's alright I'll stick to my mustang pics

[Rapier1772]

Yeah yeah, still waiting to see the original mustang pic :drool:

[panzermk2wife]

Yeah yeah, still waiting to see the original mustang pic :drool:

Keep waiting mister :laugh:

It will not show up again if some people know what's good for them :guns:

/insert evil laugh/

[jgreenberg01]

Lisa, you are certainly invited, but I am sure you will be the only gal there that can actually shoot... :lmao:

[Gramaton Cleric]

awesome vid

[Gramaton Cleric]

Thanks Shocked... it was fun... shooting stuff is ALWAYS fun!!!

And yes, I've been playing around with video editing software for a while, I'm trying to put these things together in an entertaining way that will get people to actually sit through it.

Cut to a hot babe every now and then and you've got me for at least 30mins (I'll even sit through commercials).

I don't know if you saw my Gun Porn Video (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10271&hilit=gun+porn) or not, but I have already lined up a couple of girls (very cute ones) to participate. It's just a matter of scheduling to get it done ...

Well sir that's some good photography! WOW :clap: looking forword to more from you. lol But back on topic, my opinion is this, I believe the Five Seven is a tool in a tool box of all the tools you'll ever need. For me its my #1 go to tool. I know I'd never want to be in front of it! That even goes for the .22! However, I know that I haven't looked back since purchasing the Five Seven. And damn the numbers, get shot by it and then talk s*&%................noted

[murphies_finest]

to me it does not matter what said rounds can and can not do, as stated in another thread I keep the 9mm the ar and the 90 by my nightstand. I guarantee no matter what the situation or the location if a person hears shot going down range most folks will run and seek cover. as a forum mebers signature used to say "the jawbone of an ass is still a formidable weapon today as it was in biblical times" or something to that effect.