FS 2000 Trigger Pull

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FS 2000 Trigger Pull

Post by larphred » 01 Apr 2010, 09:23

Haven't been on the board for some time now, as I sold my PS90, but now I have a question about the FS2000 trigger pull. I mean it's awful. Has anyone come up with a fix for this little stiffie. I considered shooting it at the last three gun match, but after shooting my AR, I decided to stick with the AR just because of the trigger.
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Re: FS 2000 Trigger Pull

Post by User42 » 01 Apr 2010, 20:35

I just wrote a little blurb about it in a PM to someone, so I figure I will cut and paste it here for all to read. As a disclaimer, I work with electronics. I can fix your laptop, Ipod, DVD player, or anything of that nature... I could stick a battery pack in the back compartment and rig your rifle to sing jingle bells every time you inserted a new magazine, but all I know about how this rifle works is what I learned from firing it and taking it apart and putting it back together a few times. Here are my thoughts on the subject.

The trigger pull is kinda deceptive. I lubed the trigger pack on mine with a tiny bit of dry lube (molybdenum disulfide? It has a mil-spec number but I forget), and if your holding the pack, the hammer has a pretty crisp release. The problem stems from the takeup action, and people treating it like a single stage trigger. The takup on the trigger is a bit gritty feeling (could probably fix that with a bit more lube, as I literally used a little glob that was left on one of my tools from me lubing something at work), but once you get past the little bit of travel and have the linking mechanism actually touching the trigger pack, it has the same crisp release as the trigger pack by itself. In simple terms, treat it like a two stage trigger and its great. When you get the sights on target take up the slack (you know when it stops), and either build up pressure till it releases or give it a quick tug, either way nothing moves until the hammer drops and its right on the money. People that try to do a single pull and expect it to be even all the way will be very dissapointed, as the gun just doesn't work that way. The trigger reset is right where it should be, so for follow up shots don't let go of the slack, just release it enough to get the trigger link bar (or whatever it is) out of the trigger pack and your right on the same crisp release point every time. You can treat it like a straight single pull once you get used to it, but you have to know it stops before the break point, and about how much pressure the break point needs (about 6-8lbs, by my guestimate).

If anyone knows more about the mechanisms behind that, feel free to enlighten me or correct my wording on the subject.

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Re: FS 2000 Trigger Pull

Post by blueorison » 01 Apr 2010, 20:42

User and Lar;

Dry lube/graphite works well for single stage triggers. I've used them in single and 2 stage triggers, but they don't do much for 2 stages. It considerably smoothens and lightens trigger pull. Of course, polishing also works.
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Post by User42 » 02 Apr 2010, 00:02

Polishing plastic?

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Post by no one » 06 Apr 2010, 06:19

The plastic parts in the trigger pack are already about as smooth as they can be. Attempts to polish plastic parts will only increase friction as polishing will add scratches to surfaces that used to be smooth. The lube will help though.

The trigger pack on the FS2000 is much like the Steyr Aug. I went through all this when the Augs were initially used for 3 gun matches many years ago. We found that the problem is that the plastic hammer doesn't carry much inertia to impact the firing pin unless spring pressure continues to power it all the way through the stroke. Metallic parts have more mass, so they don't need as much continual spring pressure all the way through the stroke to hit the firing pin. Metallic hammers will have enough energy to break the primer pellet without the constant strong spring pressure.

It is common to reduce spring pressure on trigger mechanisms in order to reduce trigger pull. If there is less pressure on the sear, hammer engagement surfaces, then they release easier. However, with the FS2000 and the Aug, reducing the spring pressure will result in insufficient power in the hammer stroke to reliably break the primer pellet.

Until someone makes metallic hammer, sear, disconnector parts for the trigger packs, we are stuck with the strong spring pressure that gives this "unusual" (I'm trying to be polite) trigger pull.

If my choices are an "unusual" trigger pull that results in reliable ignition, or a nice trigger pull that results in unreliable ignition, I'll go for reliable ignition every time.

But it sure would be nice if someone would make some metallic replacement parts. I suspect that with the limited number of buyers for these parts for the Aug and FS2000, they would be extremely expensive. I think there are lots more Augs out there than FS2000s. If I were a machinist and had access to all the tools and machines to make parts, this would be a great winter project.

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Re: FS 2000 Trigger Pull

Post by larphred » 06 Apr 2010, 17:01

no one--I wonder if it would be practical to imbed a lead slug in the hammer for inertia and reduce the tension in the spring.
BTW, your post was very informative

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Post by larphred » 09 Apr 2010, 15:27

User42--I removed the trigger/hammer pack and manually released the hammer as you suggested. Removing the linkage did, indeed, remove some of the take-up, but I gotta tell you the gritty creep I felt before hammer dropped was some of the worst I've felt. The setup, in my rifle at least, is totally unacceptable.
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Post by RaYhoLio » 09 Apr 2010, 16:39

how similar is the F2000 trigger setup to the PS-90?? There is a REALLY good topic going right now where a PS-90 has been given a smooth 3lb trigger...

just at 1st glance, the trigger packs seem similar.. and the trigger linkage couldn't be that different..

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Post by User42 » 12 Apr 2010, 12:45

I like the idea of replacing a few choice parts with polished metal replicas, but since that is beyond my capabilities to make at the moment I can just suggest some lube. I agree polishing plastic wouldn't seem to be very effective.
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Post by ninthinning » 25 May 2010, 10:15

I have been looking over the web for information on this gun. Looks interesting and I am considering purchasing one. It sounds like the trigger on this gun is as firm as the trigger on the PS90. Has anyone shot one of these for accuracy? Will it shoot 1 MOA at 100 yards? There are some pictures of the FS2000 hammer group on another web site. It appears the hammer group is similar to the one used in the PS90. Is this an accurate gun?
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Post by panzermk2 » 25 May 2010, 11:37

I haven't shot it match style, but it has no issues matching or beating an AR.

The FS tempted me to drop my FAL. With it's bullpup layout it was just to handy. I just could not give up the .308

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Post by Cyberfly » 25 May 2010, 12:56

Hey, don't get me wrong, its a WONDERMOUS platform. I truly loved the rifle. It fit me perfectly. I'm just not able to slide that trigger back evenly enough to get accurate long distance shots.
But let me add, I'm not a distance shooter either. I'm a pistol shooter out to about 30 yards and can totally ruin your day if you're the BG, but I've never had the knack for distance shooting.
Thankfully, the deer around here are usually shot in the <50 yard ranges so I'm good to go!
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Post by Rapier1772 » 26 May 2010, 20:00

I have a pic of the trigger pack (top view only) if you want it & Wollly put a pic in the Wiki w/disassembled FS2K where you can see the trig-pak.

If you can do for the FS2K what you did for the PS90, I'd certainly appreciate it - even be willing to chip in some $ for your R&D. That trigger is only real problem with that weapon. Long & a bit stubborn. Its a good shooter at ~50yd but I am not stable enough w/that trigger to shoot for accuracy at 100yd.
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Post by User42 » 26 May 2010, 22:01

Yea if there was an FS2000 trigger redesign in the works, I would be a buyer.

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Post by ninthinning » 27 May 2010, 04:05

It looks like a trigger job would be possible. The hammer group is almost identical to the one in the PS90. The big difference is the PS90 comes with an auto sear in the front of the hammer group. It appears the FS2000 had an auto sear in front of the hammer but it has been removed at the factory. The holes and pin that held the auto sear are still there. If a safety sear from the PS90 modification fits on the pin it might be possible to cut a notch in the hammer. Then it would be a matter of connecting the safety sear to the trigger. It might be a pretty easy task. From what I read on the web the trigger can be really awful. If I buy one of these guns this is what I would do.
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Post by ninthinning » 27 May 2010, 04:14

I went to the Wiki and the picture is helpful and encouraging. If someone wants to take apart the gun so I can get a look inside that would be good. If you do take pictures, focus on the way the trigger is linked to the hammer group. Does this gun use a rod or rods to connect the trigger to the hammer group?
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Post by RaYhoLio » 27 May 2010, 05:00

ninthinning,
My trigger group does have the auto sear... serial 0065xx

That's sorta why I made my 1st post in this thread.. from what I can tell the packs are almost identical..
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Post by ninthinning » 27 May 2010, 05:03

I have not seen a FS2000 in person. Take your gun apart and take some good pictures.
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Post by RaYhoLio » 27 May 2010, 05:08

Right on.. I'll do that this evening if I get a second :)

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Re: FS 2000 Trigger Pull

Post by ninthinning » 28 May 2010, 10:29

Wow! These are very expensive guns to come with such a poor trigger.
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Post by fooschnickens » 28 May 2010, 18:36

It's a bullpup. They all have wonky triggers.
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Re: FS 2000 Trigger Pull

Post by drcoffee » 06 Jun 2010, 17:51

So making the trigger smoother and lighter is what I have been working on. The AUG has a 10.75# trigger and I have been able to lower it to 8.5#. On my MSAR STG556 I have dropped the trigger from 8.5# to 6#. And just for fun I have shown that my STG will fire reliably with no reset issues at 3#s. Take a look at these videos.













I'm having the parts machined right now for the AUG and I need to buy a hammer group for the FS2000 for testing. I know this will also help the FN rifle. If someone can point me to a supplier for hammer packs, I would appreciate it.

In order to lower the pull 2+ Lbs I have not weakened the springs one bit. The point was to make a mod that maintains the safety of the rifle and improve the trigger at the same time. There's a good thread I started at AR15.com in the Bullpup section if you'd like to follow the progress. I'm trying to keep the price to $20 and so far it looks good.

To get to 3# you need something to reduce the spring tension. But at 3#s the rifle only takes a slap on the butt to discharge. This would good for benchrest but terrible for anything else.

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Post by ninthinning » 07 Jun 2010, 19:02

drcoffee,
That is very interesting work you are doing. I am planning on buying an FS2000 but I am hesitant after reading the reviews on the web. It sounds like the trigger is a real kludge. I have seen pictures of the hammer group and it looks like the PS90 hammer group. The problem I see is the auto sear has been removed at the factory. If it still had the auto sear it would be possible to grind off the bolt trip and use the sear as a hammer sear by connecting it to the trigger. That would allow you to lighten the disconnector springs and hammer springs and should give a trigger pull weight of 4.5 pounds.
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ninthinning wrote:drcoffee,
That is very interesting work you are doing. I am planning on buying an FS2000 but I am hesitant after reading the reviews on the web. It sounds like the trigger is a real kludge. I have seen pictures of the hammer group and it looks like the PS90 hammer group. The problem I see is the auto sear has been removed at the factory. If it still had the auto sear it would be possible to grind off the bolt trip and use the sear as a hammer sear by connecting it to the trigger. That would allow you to lighten the disconnector springs and hammer springs and should give a trigger pull weight of 4.5 pounds.
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Is this the current hammer group for the FS2000?
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Post by RaYhoLio » 08 Jun 2010, 07:11

Just took a bunch of pics of my Fs2000 internals.. I'll see if I can figure out how to post 'em

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I'd also be very interestd to know if these trigger packs have been changed in the same way the PS-90s were... if not, I might want to buy up some of the packs.. because mine has the same 'ability' as the older PS-90 packs... And if it hasn't been modified yet... it will be.

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Post by ninthinning » 08 Jun 2010, 07:47

Nice pictures. That might pretty simple to turn into a light two stage semi-automatic trigger. That would really increase the accuracy.
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RaYhoLio wrote:I'd also be very interestd to know if these trigger packs have been changed in the same way the PS-90s were... if not, I might want to buy up some of the packs.. because mine has the same 'ability' as the older PS-90 packs... And if it hasn't been modified yet... it will be.

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f3rr37 wrote: This is a warning to tread lightly with statements like that, illegal modifications will result in removal from the forum.
No worries.. There will be no discussion of illegal modifications in open forum from me... Anyhow I was referring more to its collectibility as an investment.. I'm sure you've heard of dealer post samples? The people and business's who can legally make a post sample are very interested in the old PS-90 packs now.. making them a great investment... I was just curious if newer Fs-2000 have the same design as mine... I think mine is at least a few years old.. but since I got it used... I dunno for sure.

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RaYhoLio wrote:
f3rr37 wrote: This is a warning to tread lightly with statements like that, illegal modifications will result in removal from the forum.
No worries.. There will be no discussion of illegal modifications in open forum from me...
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Post by RaYhoLio » 08 Jun 2010, 09:04

Gosh.. I'd kinda like to start up another topic about the effectivness of bans on information and dangerous things .. but I won't get into that here.

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RaYhoLio wrote:Gosh.. I'd kinda like to start up another topic about the effectivness of bans on information and dangerous things .. but I won't get into that here.

LOL again.. no worries.. I'm in no hurry to become an accomplis to a firearms crime.
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Post by drcoffee » 16 Jul 2010, 15:39

I have a product that has truely done wonders for the Steyr AUG and the FS2000 has a very similar hammer group. The result so far is 3/4 Lbs lighter trigger pull and significantly smoother pull. The part is called neu-trigger and can be found with a google search. On the AUG I've been able to lower the pull weight by 2+ Lbs. This can be installed permanently but removed at any time to go back to the stock configuration.

For those of you looking for a more permanent change, Look at cutting 2 or 3 coils from each trigger spring at the forward end. Cut one coil from each and test in between until you like the pull weight. Since these hammer groups are riveted together, there's only so much you can do.

All I can say is wow! those are some strong trigger springs. :skep:

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Post by RaYhoLio » 16 Jul 2010, 15:57

drcoffee wrote:I have a product that has truely done wonders for the Steyr AUG and the FS2000 has a very similar hammer group. The result so far is 3/4 Lbs lighter trigger pull and significantly smoother pull. The part is called neu-trigger and can be found with a google search. On the AUG I've been able to lower the pull weight by 2+ Lbs. This can be installed permanently but removed at any time to go back to the stock configuration.

For those of you looking for a more permanent change, Look at cutting 2 or 3 coils from each trigger spring at the forward end. Cut one coil from each and test in between until you like the pull weight. Since these hammer groups are riveted together, there's only so much you can do.

All I can say is wow! those are some strong trigger springs. :skep:
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Actually, no. But I'm not selling them for the FS2000 yet. I'm looking for volunteers to test them.

So answer this. Can you push out the pivot pins or not? You sound certain that it has no rivets.

Those silver rods are the rivets.

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Post by RaYhoLio » 16 Jul 2010, 16:15

Yep... check the pics above... those are pins.. not rivets.

I'm not exactly sure how your mod would work... but there are at least 2 different (yet similar) hammer packs for the F2000... might require different mod kits.
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drcoffee wrote:Actually, no. But I'm not selling them for the FS2000 yet. I'm looking for volunteers to test them.
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Post by drcoffee » 16 Jul 2010, 16:44

If you look closely at the ends of the pins they have been flattened. These pins have been expanded at their ends so they can't be removed. Technically that makes them rivets. The pins on my part can't be removed.

The part I'm talking about fits the brown plastic sear seen in the above picture. If your sear is different then I would need to rework the part to fit.

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f3rr37 wrote:If you wish to sell your product on our forum, we require you to become a forum sponsor. But since you are just searching for volunteers at the moment, I don't have a problem with it. However, before you do decide to start selling, please contact jmz5 about becoming a forum sponsor.

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Post by RaYhoLio » 16 Jul 2010, 16:56

Rivets are perminant... these are not.. These are straight flush push pins.. they are free floating, and neither side is flared in any way.. We are talking about the F2000 trigger group.. right? I don't know much about the AUG.

Those pics above were taken by me, and I'm purty well familure with the trigger group now... this thing can dissasemble completely without the use of tools in about 5 minutes...
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Post by RaYhoLio » 16 Jul 2010, 17:05

I'l tell ya.. after putting more rounds thru my F2000... I think the MAIN problem with the trigger is the depth of pull... Practice a drill where you pull the trigger, and then release it just enough to hear a 'click' and then pull again.. When I do this, I'm QUITE happy with the F2000's trigger... It could be ligher still... but it's really not as abysmol as people say.... It just needs proper trigger technique..

wanna try this at home? Clear your rifle or pistol.. make sure it's unloaded.. this is no time to guess.... point it in a safe direction, and pull the trigger as if aiming at a target... After the hammer releases, Keep the trigger held down, and use your other hand to cock the firearm again..... Then reassume your shooting stance, and let off of the trigger just until you feel / hear the click... then pull again. Practicing this tecnique has dramatically improved my shot consistancy, and understanding of my trigger's limitations.
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Post by drcoffee » 16 Jul 2010, 17:14

Interesting. I purchased the hammer group directly from FNH for the FS2000 and it looks identical to yours but my pins are flared and they would have to be hammered out. Mine won't budge. The ends are slightly larger than the pin itself. Maybe the earlier units are different. I would lke to see yours disassembled. How did you get the disconnector pin out? It's pinned in place from underneath (the black pin in the oval cutout in the picture below).

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If you look at the sear, it has the neu-trigger installed. This is what smooths out the trigger pull very effectively.

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Personally, for $2,000 you shouldn't have to tollerate at crappy trigger. Maybe on a saturday night special but not on a $2,000 gun. In a panic situation your fine motor skills disappear. I'm less forgiving than you. Too bad you don't live closer. I like to show you the difference I've made with the AUG. These hammer groups would be great if you could make the pull weight adjustable.

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Post by Rapier1772 » 16 Jul 2010, 20:23

drcoffee, since you've been ok'ed by the f3rr37 I'd volunteer to help test them. I don't know if my trigger pack is riveted or pinned but I know it has the brown sear. What do you need of your text subjects? I'll see if I can help
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Re: FS 2000 Trigger Pull

Post by RaYhoLio » 16 Jul 2010, 20:38

Yeah.. wierd.. I've not seen that version... would it be possible to replace the riveted pins with bar-stock pins?

every pin on mine is 'loose' and can be slid right out.. I've checked 'em just now to make sure.... it is an earlier model.
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Re: FS 2000 Trigger Pull

Post by drcoffee » 22 Jul 2010, 14:23

Initial test on an FS2000 is promising. One forum member has contacted me with positive results.

"FS2000

Install: Piece of cake, took me less than two minutes to install.

Trigger Weight:

Before: 5.75 Kg (12 lbs.)

After: 4.5 Kg (9.5 - 10 lbs)

Trigger Feel:

Before: The trigger had a long travel and had a very rough gritty feel to it. By the end of the travel, your finger is fatigued and it feels like a 12 lbs trigger. I was very surprised at the 5.75 trigger weight. I thought the bad trigger was the worst feature of the FS2000.

After: What a difference! The trigger feels incredibly smooth like it’s skating on ice. The long travel is still there but it is buttery smooth. Before the Neu-Trigger, I used to love the PS90 trigger. Now it makes the PS90 trigger feel like crap.

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Re: FS 2000 Trigger Pull

Post by marrandy » 23 Sep 2010, 18:46

Anyone else tried the Neu Trigger ?

How about some more reports !

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Re: FS 2000 Trigger Pull

Post by Rapier1772 » 23 Sep 2010, 18:58

I just got mine. I haven't had a chance to actually fire with it but dry fires are certainly better. It does not really reduce the pull weight or length but it does make it a lot smoother.
Well, for the pull weight, it is a smoother movement (plastic sliding across metal instead of plastic sliding across plastic) so there is less friction to overcome therefore it is probably a little less pull weight. :ponder:
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Re: FS 2000 Trigger Pull

Post by blueorison » 24 Sep 2010, 00:08

drcoffee wrote:Initial test on an FS2000 is promising. One forum member has contacted me with positive results.

"FS2000

Install: Piece of cake, took me less than two minutes to install.

Trigger Weight:

Before: 5.75 Kg (12 lbs.)

After: 4.5 Kg (9.5 - 10 lbs)

Trigger Feel:

Before: The trigger had a long travel and had a very rough gritty feel to it. By the end of the travel, your finger is fatigued and it feels like a 12 lbs trigger. I was very surprised at the 5.75 trigger weight. I thought the bad trigger was the worst feature of the FS2000.

After: What a difference! The trigger feels incredibly smooth like it’s skating on ice. The long travel is still there but it is buttery smooth. Before the Neu-Trigger, I used to love the PS90 trigger. Now it makes the PS90 trigger feel like crap.
Dr. Coffee, what about the video where you lower it down dramatically to about 2 lbs? Is this possible with all your trigger groups for any gun?
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Re: FS 2000 Trigger Pull

Post by drcoffee » 24 Sep 2010, 03:04

You can lower the pull weight on the Steyr AUG by relaxing the trigger spring. On the FS2000 you would need to either find springs with a lower rate (Wolf springs) or you can cut a coil at a time from both springs until you reach the point you like the pull weight. The latter is permanent though. The concern with this gun is the inertia of the sear if you bump the buttstock. You could release the hammer without pulling the trigger. The twin springs keep the hammer cocked. I probably wouldn't set it below 7# for safety sake.

And removing one spring will be too soft. Never mind the asymetrical forces on the parts.

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Re: FS 2000 Trigger Pull

Post by blueorison » 24 Sep 2010, 03:30

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Re: FS 2000 Trigger Pull

Post by fooschnickens » 27 Sep 2010, 22:29

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Sure am glad there's at least one person out there who knows what's going on inside these things. I, myself, am completely clueless. I just assume there are some distant cousins of the refrigerator gnomes inside with little hammers or something happily clanging away every time you pull the trigger.
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Re: FS 2000 Trigger Pull

Post by xslice » 19 Jan 2014, 18:45

Has anyone been successful in taking out the trigger bar without splitting the cases? In the FN Manual it states to break down the weapon take the bar out of the trigger, remove the trigger then cross the bars in the rear and pull out. I have tried this numerous times but each time the rod gets stuck.

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Re: FS 2000 Trigger Pull

Post by ShootingSight » 21 Feb 2015, 07:52

It seems the discussion about pins or rivets is an old one, though I never saw a conclusion posted.

The bottom line answer is that there are some pins which slide out, and the pin that joins the trigger to the disconnector has a pin in it that has an internal shoulder cut, so after it is in, there is a very small metal retaining pin that is inserted into a blind hole in the disconnector that locks it in there. So no, it is not a rivet, but functionally I have not found an easy way to get it out without breaking something.

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Re: FS 2000 Trigger Pull

Post by panzermk2 » 21 Feb 2015, 10:12

Figures, I hate when manufactures do that. It's a sign of lazy engineering.
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