Concealed Carry: round in the chamber, or not?

General discussion.

When conceal carrying, do you prefer:

Hammer cocked, with a round in the chamber
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46%
Hammer de-cocked, round in the chamber (double action pistols)
24
46%
Hammer de-cocked, no round in the chamber
4
8%
 
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Re: Concealed Carry: round in the chamber, or not?

Post by brianz » 27 Apr 2012, 09:21

I answered as best I could, as I carry a Glock 23 with a round in the chamber, and contrary to a recent episode of The Closer, there is no hammer to cock.

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Re: Concealed Carry: round in the chamber, or not?

Post by flyingirish04 » 27 Apr 2012, 09:30

Rapier1772 wrote:
flyingirish04 wrote:I just looked it up. IF you have a valid CCL or reciprocal CCL, there is not a single law that precludes you from carrying a loaded, chambered weapon.
I realize that, but what I am saying is response to this post:
The Keymaster wrote:I have been taught in every class I have attended that a firearm without a round in the chamber is not a firearm.
All I meant was just because there isn't a round in the chamber, that does not preclude it from being a firearm.

Personally Key, I agree that a practical CCW should be chambered. But far be it from me to denounce anyone else's educated opinion about it. All we can do is provide the facts & hope other people learn.



Also, ask any idiot who was "sure" the gun wasn't loaded & it "just went off" - it's still a firearm :laugh:

I get ya. Sorry.

As far as it 'just went off', it is almost always a negligent pull of the trigger. I say almost, because I had an experience of a faulty firing spring pin leaving the pin out, and when the slide went forward to chamber a round, it fired the weapon. That being said, no one was injured because I alway have a weapon pointed down range and in a safe direction when letting the slide forward or chambering a round.
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Re: Concealed Carry: round in the chamber, or not?

Post by panzermk2 » 27 Apr 2012, 13:36

Cyberfly wrote:Uhh, panzer, I think comparing U.S. CCW to Israeli citizens is a bit different. Doesn't EVERYBODY in Israel carry concealed? Teachers, mailmen, rabbis,...everybody? So...regardless of whether there is a round in the chamber or not, SOMEBODY is gonna take that bomber out.

No they open carry more then they CCW.

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Re: Concealed Carry: round in the chamber, or not?

Post by Rapier1772 » 27 Apr 2012, 14:31

Where are the mags?
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Post by flyingirish04 » 27 Apr 2012, 14:38

Use your imagination. New definition of 'buried cache'....:p
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Re: Concealed Carry: round in the chamber, or not?

Post by panzermk2 » 27 Apr 2012, 14:38

Rapier1772 wrote:Where are the mags?

Carried up front. Usually stuffed in a pocket. Regular IDF serving their mandatory time don't get all sorts of fancy gear.

Funny they can kick all sorts of ass without 2 grand in Voo Doo tactical hanging off them. Don't they know they can't do that without the mandatory gear?
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Re: Concealed Carry: round in the chamber, or not?

Post by Rapier1772 » 27 Apr 2012, 15:27

flyingirish04 wrote:Use your imagination. New definition of 'buried cache'....:p
Like the cell phone in "Machete"? nah, Israelis have more class than that.
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Re: Concealed Carry: round in the chamber, or not?

Post by fd57 » 27 Apr 2012, 15:32

Really whomever said "ask a police officer if they carry chambered or not" put it in perspective. Are there any departments that carry without a round chambered on the ready?

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Re: Concealed Carry: round in the chamber, or not?

Post by toyslr » 27 Apr 2012, 17:38

Going after "a bomber or terrorist" is different than having someone within 10-15 from you. I would hazard a guess that plenty of innocent "armed" israelis have been killed before they could lock and load..Just because they carry like that doens't mean someone had seen something and been unable to react it time.

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Re: Concealed Carry: round in the chamber, or not?

Post by Lobo » 27 Apr 2012, 18:28

panzermk2 wrote:
Cyberfly wrote:Uhh, panzer, I think comparing U.S. CCW to Israeli citizens is a bit different. Doesn't EVERYBODY in Israel carry concealed? Teachers, mailmen, rabbis,...everybody? So...regardless of whether there is a round in the chamber or not, SOMEBODY is gonna take that bomber out.

No they open carry more then they CCW.

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Re: Concealed Carry: round in the chamber, or not?

Post by panzermk2 » 27 Apr 2012, 23:39

Lobo wrote:
panzermk2 wrote:
Cyberfly wrote:Uhh, panzer, I think comparing U.S. CCW to Israeli citizens is a bit different. Doesn't EVERYBODY in Israel carry concealed? Teachers, mailmen, rabbis,...everybody? So...regardless of whether there is a round in the chamber or not, SOMEBODY is gonna take that bomber out.

No they open carry more then they CCW.

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oh yes, now picture that on a topless beach at Eilat, Israel :drool:
(oh I thank the guy who invented mirror sunglasses :cool: )

(the funny part was me asking how they don't get a tan line from the strap)


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Don't have to been there done that, the mirror sun glass part.

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Re: Concealed Carry: round in the chamber, or not?

Post by Rapier1772 » 28 Apr 2012, 05:15

You need a bigger zoom :laugh:
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Re: Concealed Carry: round in the chamber, or not?

Post by jgreenberg01 » 28 Apr 2012, 06:16

Rapier1772 wrote:You need a bigger zoom :laugh:
:agree:

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Re: Concealed Carry: round in the chamber, or not?

Post by Agent » 30 Apr 2012, 17:53

Carrying a gun is preparing for a once in a lifetime event, and people who carry without a round in the chamber are giving the bad guy an advantage. In a deadly force situation, I'll be using my left arm to defend myself and not to rack my gun. Trying to find something to catch your slide on to chamber a round while you're fighting with an armed subject? Ridiculous.

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Re: Concealed Carry: round in the chamber, or not?

Post by eagleshotz » 10 May 2012, 20:41

:ttiwwp: :agree:

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Re: Concealed Carry: round in the chamber, or not?

Post by Rapier1772 » 10 Sep 2015, 11:28

http://bearingarms.com/empty-chamber-ca ... n=baupdate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The link is an article about empty chamber carry, its origins & use even today; mostly about why it's a bad idea.
Saw this gem about the US & Israeli military carrying with an empty chamber:
Israeli military leaders want their troop carrying handguns with an empty chamber for the same reason American commanders do: derp is a universal problem.
:laugh: (BTW, author was speaking about the people who have not had special training)

There's also "virtual shooting simulator" video on the page.

If this happened at my house, I'd have my hand on my gun. But in a public area like a parking lot, I don't know that I would have done that - until now.

Either way, the point for carrying chambered is made several times.
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Re: Concealed Carry: round in the chamber, or not?

Post by WhiteFether » 14 Sep 2015, 16:23

Cocked and ready to rock ..........

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Re: Concealed Carry: round in the chamber, or not?

Post by Rrainman » 01 Jan 2016, 06:13

I've always carried with one in the chamber. I agree with that I would not want to take the time to chamber a round in an emergency situation. And with a semi, I like the idea of an additional round of ammo. And personally, I could not imagine giving up a chamber on a revolver simple to not be resting on a live round. Of course, with all that said, it is important to have very good discipline and training to mitigate the risks of one in the pipe. As far as a mechanical failure of the safeties are concerned, with as much liability and lawyers involved at the manufacturers, I bet any such failures are ultra-rare.

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