Lehigh Defense "Controlled Chaos"

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Lehigh Defense "Controlled Chaos"

Post by kfeltenberger » 29 Dec 2014, 12:38

Has anyone used the Lehigh Defense 45gr Controlled Chaos (leadfree or non) in a load and tested it? I'm curious to see how well the round would perform at FsN generated velocities.

http://www.lehighdefense.com/shop/bulle ... lled-chaos

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Re: Lehigh Defense "Controlled Chaos"

Post by Rapier1772 » 29 Dec 2014, 13:54

Those almost look like Barnes Banded Solids but with a hollow point. I might have to try some of those :ponder: Thanks for posting it
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Re: Lehigh Defense "Controlled Chaos"

Post by bruteandbear1 » 29 Dec 2014, 14:17

Yes I have and they perform better than my 27 grain reloads at 2450 FPS. Well the word got out now about them lets how long it takes until they are banned by someone calling it in. That is why I ordered two 500 round lots :D .

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Post by kfeltenberger » 29 Dec 2014, 14:27

Rapier1772 wrote:Those almost look like Barnes Banded Solids but with a hollow point. I might have to try some of those :ponder: Thanks for posting it
I moonlight as an enabler. :laugh:

I've seen some of the tests of the other rounds and they're pretty impressive. ShootingTheBull410 did a test of the .45Colt load that was for the Taurus Judge/S&W Governor and that thing was nightmarish...the petals opened to over *two inches*...

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Post by kfeltenberger » 29 Dec 2014, 14:27

bruteandbear1 wrote:Yes I have and they perform better than my 27 grain reloads at 2450 FPS. Well the word got out now about them lets how long it takes until they are banned by someone calling it in. That is why I ordered two 500 round lots :D .
Outstanding! This might be the catalyst to get into reloading.

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Re: Lehigh Defense "Controlled Chaos"

Post by Buffman » 29 Dec 2014, 17:05

Yes they are brass. I asked Lehigh about them. They are coming out with something in the future that may appease the ATF gauds better.

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Re: Lehigh Defense "Controlled Chaos"

Post by grimmond » 29 Dec 2014, 17:48

Jeesh :wall: You all are gonna ruin my fun with these rounds like the Barnes BBS. :p
P.S. Like Brute I have been shooting these for awhile now with various powders. They leave a nice permanent wound pattern in ballistics gel.


Max for these bullets is around 5.9gr for both True Blue and Longshot.
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Re: Lehigh Defense "Controlled Chaos"

Post by Rapier1772 » 29 Dec 2014, 19:02

Would you guys, who are already loading these, be willing to share your load info? Or is it the same as what is posted for another 45gr bullet?
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Post by bruteandbear1 » 29 Dec 2014, 21:40

Dammit Grimmond are secret is out :wall: . Now some a**hole is going to go to the ATF because either it takes there business away or some liberal who hates 5.7 especially a round made from brass.

I am definitely not trying to hide anything from my fellow forum members and legit shooting enthusiast and Rapier I will send you a PM. I am sure Grimmond will help you to. He has more experience than I do with the Controlled Chaos.

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Re: Lehigh Defense "Controlled Chaos"

Post by Rapier1772 » 29 Dec 2014, 23:34

I appreciate the help guys, now if I could just get my order to go through :wall:

I am definitely NOT trying to ruin anyone's fun with these rounds.
Didn't Barnes shoot themselves in the foot so to speak with the BBS? They got in a huff about a round & complained to the BATFE. It turned out the rounds were a turned down version of one of theirs? Or something like that?
Too bad, I liked the BBS
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Re: Lehigh Defense "Controlled Chaos"

Post by bruteandbear1 » 30 Dec 2014, 08:35

I just now tried to buy another 500 round pack. I have ordered a lot of Lehigh controlled chaos with out any issues in the past and now it won't take the orders which means someone already called it in to ATF!!! Damn this is BS

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Post by kfeltenberger » 30 Dec 2014, 08:52

Or they could be out of stock and aren't taking backorders?

Did it allow you to add it to the cart and fail when you checked out or were you unable to add it to the cart?

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Re: Lehigh Defense "Controlled Chaos"

Post by Rapier1772 » 30 Dec 2014, 10:59

Yep, it's in the cart & it says in stock but it fails back to the credit card window. I have checked, rechecked, reentered the info but still a no go.

Even tried calling today, no answer but left message.
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Post by LK45s » 30 Dec 2014, 20:36

I just completed an order. It says confirmed and email sent. Did you click the radio button to the left of the credit card symbols? I did not find it till the third time I entered my card info. Good luck. Just checked and I still have not received the email yet.
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Re: Lehigh Defense "Controlled Chaos"

Post by Rapier1772 » 31 Dec 2014, 06:46

Finally got it to go through.
Cleared all the cookies & gave it another go. Can't say for certain if I hit the radio button before but made a point of it this time. Maybe that is the thing I was missing before :?: Don't care now :D

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Re: Lehigh Defense "Controlled Chaos"

Post by bruteandbear1 » 06 Jan 2015, 11:02

So is the Barnes Banded Solid made of copper or brass and I am talking about the .224 banded solid?

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Re: Lehigh Defense "Controlled Chaos"

Post by Rapier1772 » 06 Jan 2015, 11:49

It was made of brass, just like the Controlled Chaos.
The Controlled Chaos are hollow point whereas the BBS were solid
These are BBS:
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Re: Lehigh Defense "Controlled Chaos"

Post by bruteandbear1 » 06 Jan 2015, 12:14

Thanks Rapier!! I just ordered another 500 round case!! The controlled chaos tumbles if it does not hit wet!! Plus in my mind a 45 grain projectile is ideal for a self defense round in this platform. I take it banded solids also tumbled?

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Re: Lehigh Defense "Controlled Chaos"

Post by Rapier1772 » 06 Jan 2015, 12:52

No, BBS were designed to punch straight through varmints so as to not damage the pelts.
Little hole in, little hole out - make sure your shot counts.
Have to wait for them to bleed out I guess, kind of like bowhunting in that respect now that I think of it. :ponder:
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Re: Lehigh Defense "Controlled Chaos"

Post by spyderco monkey » 06 Jan 2015, 17:13

What type of velocity are you guys getting with the 45 grain CC?

And, has anyone tested it in Gel? Does it fragment, tumble, or punch straight through at 5.7 velocity?

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