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FN 5.7x28mm Ammunition Tables

Post by panzermk2wife » 20 Aug 2008, 21:01

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FN 5.7x28mm Ammunition Tables

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Here are the velocities, projectile weights, and resulting muzzle energies of the 5.7x28mm ammunition types when fired from the P90, PS90, and Five-seveN, along with some other more basic data that people new to the 5.7 should find helpful.



Info Tables for the 5.7x28mm Ammunition


Muzzle velocity:

|---------P90---------|----------PS90---------|------FiveseveN----|

SS190 -----(2350 fps)-------------(2600 fps)-------------(2100 fps)-----
SS191 -----(2350 fps)-------------(2600 fps)-------------(2100 fps)-----
SS192 -----(2350 fps)-------------(2600 fps)-------------(2100 fps)-----
SB193 -----(1000 fps)----------------------------------------------------
T194 ------(2350 fps)--------------(2600 fps)-------------(2100 fps)-----
SS195 -----(2350 fps)-------------(2600 fps)-------------(2100 fps)-----
NEW SS195-(2220.5)---------------(1470.5)--------------(1970.5)-------
SS196 -----(1800 fps)-------------(1950 fps)-------------(1550 fps)-----
SS197 -----(1950 fps)-------------(2100 fps)-------------(1675 fps)-----
SS198 -----(2500 fps)-----------------------------------(2200 fps)----





Projectile weight:

SS190 -----------------32 grains (2.09 grams)-----------
SS191 -----------------32 grains (2.09 grams)------------
SS192 -----------------27 grains (1.81 grams)------------
SB193 -----------------55 grains (3.55 grams)------------
T194 ------------------27 grains (1.81 grams)------------
SS195 -----------------27 grains (1.81 grams)------------
SS196 -----------------40 grains (2.58 grams)------------
SS197 -----------------40 grains (2.58 grams)------------
SS198 -----------------27 grains (1.81 grams)------------





Muzzle energy:

|---------------P90-------|----------PS90---------|------FiveseveN----|

SS190 ----(390 ft. lbs)--------------(480 ft. lbs)------------(315 ft. lbs)---
SS191 ----(390 ft. lbs)--------------(480 ft. lbs)------------(315 ft. lbs)---
SS192 ----(345 ft. lbs)--------------(420 ft. lbs)------------(275 ft. lbs)---
SB193 ----(120 ft. lbs)--------------------------------------------------
T194 -----(345 ft. lbs)--------------(420 ft. lbs)------------(275 ft. lbs)---
SS195 ----(345 ft. lbs)---------------(420 ft. lbs)------------(275 ft. lbs)---
SS196 ----(290 ft. lbs)--------------(340 ft. lbs)------------(215 ft. lbs)---
SS197 ----(340 ft. lbs)---------------(390 ft. lbs)------------(250 ft. lbs)---
SS198-------------------------------------------------------------------





Average penetration depth in 10% ballistic gelatin:

|---------P90-------|---------PS90---------|-----FiveseveN----|

SS190 ---(12 inches)----------------------------------(9 inches)----
SS191 ---(12 inches)----------------------------------(9 inches)----
SS192 ---(12 inches)----------------------------------(9 inches)----
SB193 --------------------------------------------------------------
T194 ----(12 inches)----------------------------------(9 inches)----
SS195 ---(12 inches)----------------------------------(9 inches)----
SS196 ---------------------------------------------------------------
SS197 --------------------------(16 inches)----------(10 inches)---
SS198--------------------------------------------------------------





Projectile type/behavior:

SS190 ---------------FMJ, Tumbles (no deformation)-----------
SS191 ---------------Tracer FMJ, Tumbles (no deformation)-----
SS192 ---------------JHP, Tumbles (no deformation)-------------
SB193 ---------------Subsonic FMJBT (Sierra Game King)--------
T194 ----------------JHP, Tumbles (no deformation)-------------
SS195 ---------------JHP, Tumbles (no deformation)-------------
SS196 ---------------V-MAX, Expands with fragmentation--------
SS197 ---------------V-MAX, Expands with fragmentation--------
SS198-----------------JHP, Tumbles (no deformation)-------------
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Identification:

SS190 ---------------(Plain, black, or black-on-white tip)-------
L191 ---------------(Red or red-on-black tip)------------------
SS192 ---------------(Plain hollow tip)---------------------------
SB193 ---------------(White tip)----------------------------------
T194 ----------------(Green hollow tip)--------------------------
SS195 ---------------(Plain hollow tip)---------------------------
SS196 ---------------(Red-tip V-MAX)----------------------------
SS197 ---------------(Blue-tip V-MAX)---------------------------
SS198----------------(Green hollow point)-----------------------





Abbreviations:

SS190AP -----------------(Armor Piercing)------------------
SS195LF -----------------(Lead Free)------------------------
SS196SR -----------------(Sporting Round)------------------
SS197SR -----------------(Sporting Round)------------------
SS198LF------------------(Lead Free)------------------------





Date of Introduction:

SS190 ---------------------(1994)------------------------
SS191 ----------------------------------------------------
SS192 ---------------------(2002)------------------------
SB193 ---------------------(1994)------------------------
T194 ------------------------------------------------------
SS195 ---------------------(2005)------------------------
SS196 ---------------------(2005)------------------------
SS197 --------------------(2006)------------------------
SS198----------------------(2008)-----------------------





Availability:

SS190 ------------------(LE/MIL)---------------------------------
SS191 ------------------(LE/MIL)----------------------------------
SS192 ------------------(Discontinued 2005)----------------------
SB193 ------------------(LE/MIL)----------------------------------
T194 -------------------(Discontinued 2002)----------------------
SS195 ------------------(Available)--------------------------------
SS196 ------------------(Discontinued 2006)----------------------
SS197 ------------------(Available)--------------------------------
SS198-------------------(LE/MIL)----------------------------------





Comparison of the 5.7x28mm and .22 WMR:

|--------------Weight/Velocity-----------|----------Energy----------|--------Barrel Length----|

SS195 |---------(27 gr @ 2600 fps)----------|--------(420 ft. lbs)------|---------(16 inches)------|
22WMR |--------(40 gr @ 1900 fps)----------|--------(320 ft. lbs)------|---------(24 inches)------|




As seen in the above comparison, the 5.7x28mm is (even out of a shorter barrel) ballistically quite a bit ahead of the .22 WMR despite often being compared to it by skeptics. I calculated the muzzle energies based on the bullet weights and velocities above, using the handy tool in this link.

Take note that the L191 is also often referred to as the "SS191"; similarly, the SB193 is sometimes referred to as the "SS193". As for the velocity of the SS190, SS191, SS192, and SS195 out of the Five-seveN pistol, I have heard individual chronographed figures ranging from less than 2000 fps to 2250 fps, and thus decided to list it in between those at 2100 fps. Regarding visible differences between the SS192 and SS195, the latter has a silver-colored primer while the former does not. I hope this was helpful; thank-you to all who contributed bits of information.


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SS190 energies when fired out of the Five-seveN:

Muzzle |-----------(320 ft. lbs)-----------|
50m |-------------(297 ft. lbs)-----------|
100m |------------(227 ft. lbs)-----------|
200m |------------(126 ft. lbs)-----------|
300m |------------(74 ft. lbs)-------------|
400m |------------(58 ft. lbs)-------------|

The numbers came from an FN 5.7mm Weapon System FAQ.
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Post by WARWOLF » 22 Aug 2008, 00:32

FOR COMPARISON, ALTHOUGH IT'S MISSING THE NEW HOLLOW POINT GREEN TIP SS198 ON THE TOP PIC AND IT'S MISSING SOME ELITE AMMUNITION ON THE BOTTOM PICS....LOL (HINT, HINT :cya: )


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Post by f3rr37 » 10 Nov 2008, 18:26

WARWOLF wrote:FOR COMPARISON, ALTHOUGH IT'S MISSING THE NEW HOLLOW POINT GREEN TIP SS198 ON THE TOP PIC AND IT'S MISSING SOME ELITE AMMUNITION ON THE BOTTOM PICS....LOL (HINT, HINT :cya: )
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Post by Vortec MAX » 20 Nov 2008, 06:59

I found a couple of links that may add to this post.

Military Ammunition
http://www.fnhusa1.com/PDF/FN_MIL_ammunition.pdf

Civilian Ammo
http://www.fnhusa1.com/PDF/FNH08ammunition.pdf

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Post by Vortec MAX » 27 Nov 2008, 22:58

I chronographed some factory ammo yesterday. For the SS195, I got numbers that are considerably different than what is posted here.

I used a CED chrono with infrared kit. Elevation was 4,400 feet and temperature was 40 degrees F. Chrono was 6 feet away.

10 Shots of SS195LF
1979
1944
1986
1967
1951
1963
1977
1966
1980
1992

Average 1970.5 FPS
That's 129.5 FPS slower than the stated 2100 FPS


10 Shots of SS197SR
1703
1714
1662
1717
1680
1691
1612
1668
1624
1642

Average 1671.3 FPS
That is very close the the stated 1675 FPS


I also noticed that the point of impact at 25 yards is very different between these two rounds. I sighted in using the SS195LF and got 3 shots into a 1" circle. When I switched to the SS197SR I was waaay low.


Hopefully this data helps.

Mike

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Post by Tombstone » 21 Feb 2009, 17:39

panzermk2wife wrote:Courtesy of DmL5

FN 5.7x28mm Ammunition Tables

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Here are the velocities, projectile weights, and resulting muzzle energies of the 5.7x28mm ammunition types when fired from the P90, PS90, and Five-seveN, along with some other more basic data that people new to the 5.7 should find helpful.



Info Tables for the 5.7x28mm Ammunition



Average penetration depth in 10% ballistic gelatin:

|---------P90-------|---------PS90---------|-----FiveseveN----|

SS190 ---(12 inches)----------------------------------(9 inches)----
SS191 ---(12 inches)----------------------------------(9 inches)----
SS192 ---(12 inches)----------------------------------(9 inches)----
SB193 --------------------------------------------------------------
T194 ----(12 inches)----------------------------------(9 inches)----
SS195 ---(12 inches)----------------------------------(9 inches)----
SS196 ---------------------------------------------------------------
SS197 --------------------------(16 inches)----------(10 inches)---
SS198--------------------------------------------------------------


These are wonderful tables!

Thank you very much, but I wonder is it possible to get graphical images of the ballistic gelatin test for this ammunition as well as the new spectacular Elite Ammunition?

Seeing these ballistic tests visually always give a much better impression on the projectile behavior.

Thank you for the consideration! :drool:
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Post by jmz5 » 21 Feb 2009, 20:25

Already done.

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jmz5 wrote:Already done.

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Post by panzertruppe » 21 Sep 2009, 05:27

Thnx for this intel,

Very good stuff for us PS 90 rooks...

Many thnx again.

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Post by Grantness » 21 Sep 2009, 06:53

oh no, not another panzer! haha j/k :p

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Post by ryker » 21 Jan 2010, 13:36

On data comparisons. The energy and velocity of the 5.7 at normal pistol ranges compare to that of the rifle 5.56mm at 3-400 yards.

So when people say your shooting a 22mag just refer to the fact the fiveseven is = to a m16 at 300 yards. :thumb:

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Post by fatherfoof » 21 Jan 2010, 16:01

Grant, you're right. I think we're up to four now. :laugh:
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Post by murphies_finest » 23 Apr 2010, 06:23

Vortec MAX wrote:I chronographed some factory ammo yesterday. For the SS195, I got numbers that are considerably different than what is posted here.

I used a CED chrono with infrared kit. Elevation was 4,400 feet and temperature was 40 degrees F. Chrono was 6 feet away.

10 Shots of SS195LF
1979
1944
1986
1967
1951
1963
1977
1966
1980
1992

Average 1970.5 FPS
That's 129.5 FPS slower than the stated 2100 FPS


10 Shots of SS197SR
1703
1714
1662
1717
1680
1691
1612
1668
1624
1642

Average 1671.3 FPS
That is very close the the stated 1675 FPS


I also noticed that the point of impact at 25 yards is very different between these two rounds. I sighted in using the SS195LF and got 3 shots into a 1" circle. When I switched to the SS197SR I was waaay low.


Hopefully this data helps.

Mike

Im really curious now I will shoot both this weekend using my chrony and see whose numbers I duplicate or come closer to, I will fire from the ps90 rifle and as soon as i get my pistol back ill shoot it form there also, I will do a 10 shot group like mikes also.
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Post by mikeb1031 » 06 Feb 2011, 12:36

Very helpful.....

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Post by ddouglas » 06 Feb 2011, 12:59

Is anyone putting all this data together in one place? The Wiki would be great a place to put it. Where is Grant?

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Post by blueorison » 07 Mar 2011, 00:25

All the data is in one place...this thread. How may I assist you, DDouglas, was there a solid source you wanted placed within the wiki for just the velocity tables, or round characteristics? Let me know how I can help. Thanks :)

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1685

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Post by Buffman » 09 Mar 2011, 22:37

Can anyone shed light on the last 5 rounds in WarWolf's picture?

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The white-cased is the Voere caseless round. Propellant is the case.
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Post by Gundoc » 22 Mar 2012, 19:05

War wolf great work! My boys and I have loved your work. We are big 5.7 fans. Keep up the good work bro.
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Post by Santagata » 12 Dec 2012, 21:18

Which ammo is good for in door range?

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Santagata wrote:Which ammo is good for in door range?
The kind you can find/afford the most of.

One of the reasons the FsN is hard to sight in is that the different ammo has different points of impact (POI) on the target. My recommendation is to use whatever ammo you can get a hold of for practice, just work on your grouping. Then, once that is consistent, sight your gun using the ammo you will carry with.
If you won't be using the gun for defensive carry (i.e. range gun only) then sight for the ammo you would normally use.
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Post by blackhawk795 » 27 Feb 2013, 20:34

i picked up some ss198 couple months ago for 31 dollars a box, if i remember correctly it was pushing past 2200 on the chrono

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Post by Buffman » 27 Feb 2013, 20:49

2100fps from FSN

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Post by Surfgun » 26 Jan 2015, 09:44

So beside the green paint, is there any real difference between the old white box SS195LF and current SS198LF? As I recall the whit box ammo ran about 2100 FPS out of my five seven.

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Post by Stitches1974 » 26 Jan 2015, 10:03

Surfgun wrote:So beside the green paint, is there any real difference between the old white box SS195LF and current SS198LF? As I recall the whit box ammo ran about 2100 FPS out of my five seven.
SS198 is loaded a bit hotter than SS195. I want to say about 50-100FPS faster out of the 5.7.

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Post by Buffman » 26 Jan 2015, 13:22

White box SS195LF has been in the 1950-2050 range from what I recall. I have a box to test that. SS198LF is around 2100-high 21xx fps.

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LOL Half of those have not been imported in almost 5+ years.
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Post by M1P90 » 26 Jun 2015, 05:11

:ponder: So.. It is my understanding that the ss195 is 2600 fps out of the PS90 and so the ss198 should run about 2800 fps out of the PS90?? The T6b runs at 3095 fps out of the PS90. Am I correct with these numbers?
Also.... What is the Foot pounds of the T6b compared to the ss198. Thanks!!
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M1P90 wrote::ponder: So.. It is my understanding that the ss195 is 2600 fps out of the PS90 and so the ss198 should run about 2800 fps out of the PS90?? The T6b runs at 3095 fps out of the PS90. Am I correct with these numbers?
Also.... What is the Foot pounds of the T6b compared to the ss198. Thanks!!
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319 for the current T6B from a FsN 562 for the PS90.

2800 fps is a bit high, when I tested 198 from a PS90 I got 2710 average. BUT based on the 2800 it would be about 460 foot pounds.

If you have 2 of the 3 values most free on line ballistic programs can supply the third value.


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Post by M1P90 » 26 Jun 2015, 10:51

:thumb: Thanks! Now I'm really liking the T6B ammo!

T6B 3095fps ......... 562 ft lbs
ss198 2800fps ......... 460 ft lbs (Real number closer to 2700fps ....... 440ft lbs)
ss195 2600fps ......... 420 ft lbs (Real number closer to 2500fps ....... 404ft lbs)
ss197 2100fps ......... 390 ft lbs
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Post by Buffman » 26 Jun 2015, 18:47

I barely get 2500 fps from the PS90 and SS198LF :D

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Post by spyderco monkey » 06 Feb 2016, 00:05

Buffman wrote:I barely get 2500 fps from the PS90 and SS198LF :D
What type of velocity are you getting with the SS195 out of the PS90? I'm curious if SS198 is worth the $0.10-$0.15 price increase over the SS195 in the PS90.

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Post by spyderco monkey » 27 Feb 2016, 22:43

I came across these interesting 5.7x28 prototypes today on IAA forum:
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Post by blueorison » 28 Feb 2016, 07:33

cool! Thanks for sharing :)
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Re: FN 5.7x28mm Ammunition Tables

Post by Grantness » 29 Feb 2016, 16:34

Neat. Sabots?

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Re: FN 5.7x28mm Ammunition Tables

Post by spyderco monkey » 29 Feb 2016, 22:14

Grantness wrote:Neat. Sabots?
Yes, they all look to be saboted 4mm projectiles, including a duplex round (shoots 2 stacked projectiles at once.)

Not sure what the material is, or whether any were ever fired, but certainly a cool bit of history.

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Re: FN 5.7x28mm Ammunition Tables

Post by spyderco monkey » 07 Apr 2016, 20:28

A great collection posted on reddit /r/guns:

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Re: FN 5.7x28mm Ammunition Tables

Post by spyderco monkey » 07 Apr 2016, 20:29

spyderco monkey wrote:A great collection posted on reddit /r/guns:

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Row 1:
FN SS90 - early AP prototype
FN SS196SR - Red Ballistic V-Max Tip
ELP Replace-A-Core Dragon-Teeth
ELP Replace-A-Core 2 Ball Sabot
ELP Slip-PINZ Sabot
ELP Replace-A-Core Fine Point G-2
ELP Mercury Capsule
ELP Cobalt Core
Row 2:
ELP Tungsten Spiked Projectile
ELP Hollow Point Fragmentation Boat Tail
ELP MHP (Maximum Hollow Point) Projectile
ELP IT's projectile, A 4-Ball Serrated Fragmentation Boat Tail with the #1 Turbine Glide Texture Projectile
ELP Nickel Spiked projectile
ELP 13g. AGLDR (Aluminum Glider) Projectile
ELP E-3 Class 3 Capsule
ELP Replace-A-Core Fine Point G-1
Row 3:
ELP Tungsten Spiked High Speed Stinger
ELP EBF (Expander Ball Fragmentation)
Red Plastic Blank
FN SS192 - Aluminum Core Hollow Point
FN SS197SR - Blue Ballistic V-Max Tip
FN SS197SR - Blue Ballistic V-Max Tip
FN SS190 - Black Tip AP
FN SS192 - Aluminum Core Hollow Point
Row 4:
FN T194 - Green Tip Aluminum Core Hollow Point Training Round
FN SS198LF Green Tip Lead Free Hollow Point
Vanguard V-57 Prime
FN SS192 - Aluminum Core Hollow Point
FN SS192 - Aluminum Core Hollow Point
FMJ
Elite Ammo S4M
Elite Ammo ProtecTOR-II

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Re: FN 5.7x28mm Ammunition Tables

Post by bvtbee66 » 03 Sep 2017, 20:58

Very informative, thanks!! ;)

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