SS198LF vs 10% clear gel, PS90

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SS198LF vs 10% clear gel, PS90

Post by Buffman » 22 Mar 2016, 13:33

Moar velocity, but barely much more penetration :O. Side penetration of almost 3" though.

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Post by spyderco monkey » 24 Mar 2016, 02:37

Thanks for another great test. Based on what you're seeing, would you prefer the SS198 or the SS197 when fired from the PS90?

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Post by Buffman » 24 Mar 2016, 05:00

I'd still use SS198

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Post by DoubleJ » 24 Mar 2016, 18:46

Temperature have anything to do with that jello? Think it would penetrate more on a warm day?

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Post by CPTKILLER » 25 Mar 2016, 07:16

Actually interesting. It confirms my choice for my new DDI AK74 (made in Tennessee) in 5.45X39mm.

The SS198LF is too weak in penetration for me.

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Post by Buffman » 25 Mar 2016, 07:21

DoubleJ wrote:Temperature have anything to do with that jello? Think it would penetrate more on a warm day?
Clear gel is temp stable :D

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Post by DoubleJ » 25 Mar 2016, 20:34

I gotta say, they dump all their energy and tumble within those 9", believe that bullet is like .800 long or something, that's quite a slice through your tummy, and you've still got either 20 or 50 more after that first shot, seems like that'd do the trick.

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Post by Kiran04 » 29 Jul 2016, 18:20

SS198LF strikes me more as a practice round or a California compliant round, not a real self defense or combat round. Unable to reliably penetrate IIIA vests. Unable to achieve sufficient penetration in bare ballistics gel, let alone through denim or glass. Unable to come down in price. You can get that yaw from virtually any 5.7 round. It is not special, nor is SS198LF.

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Post by grimmond » 01 Aug 2016, 13:46

Kiran04 wrote:SS198LF strikes me more as a practice round or a California compliant round, not a real self defense or combat round. Unable to reliably penetrate IIIA vests. Unable to achieve sufficient penetration in bare ballistics gel, let alone through denim or glass. Unable to come down in price. You can get that yaw from virtually any 5.7 round. It is not special, nor is SS198LF.
You are thinking of the SS195(civilian version), which is the same but slower then SS198. SS198 was not designed to penetrate lvl IIIa it was desigbed for lvl 2 which it penetrates just fine. SS190 was designed for IIIa. Penetration and depth of penetration prove absolutely nothing in the real world. I spent the first 10 yrs of military service as a Combat Medic and Field Nurse and treated plenty of nice tiny clean holes poked by our SS109 because it failed to tumble. Only time it was worth it salt was when it hit something that causes it to tumble. I have done the gel, clay, vests, and glass tests and I'll stick with the SS198 before I rely on SS197, SS195, or the AE tmj. But as things sit after testing I have done, I prefer to reload my own rounds to faster velocities with better bullets.
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Post by DoubleJ » 01 Aug 2016, 14:36

Gotta agree with Grimm on this one, not to mention, who's coming at you with a vest on? If you've pissed off the vest wearing type, I'm gonna have to go ahead and advise something larger than a pistol or PDW. Maybe a private security force, or a lawyer... Or maybe just move to Montana.

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Post by Kiran04 » 01 Aug 2016, 19:02

grimmond wrote:
Kiran04 wrote:SS198LF strikes me more as a practice round or a California compliant round, not a real self defense or combat round. Unable to reliably penetrate IIIA vests. Unable to achieve sufficient penetration in bare ballistics gel, let alone through denim or glass. Unable to come down in price. You can get that yaw from virtually any 5.7 round. It is not special, nor is SS198LF.
You are thinking of the SS195(civilian version), which is the same but slower then SS198. SS198 was not designed to penetrate lvl IIIa it was desigbed for lvl 2 which it penetrates just fine. SS190 was designed for IIIa. Penetration and depth of penetration prove absolutely nothing in the real world. I spent the first 10 yrs of military service as a Combat Medic and Field Nurse and treated plenty of nice tiny clean holes poked by our SS109 because it failed to tumble. Only time it was worth it salt was when it hit something that causes it to tumble. I have done the gel, clay, vests, and glass tests and I'll stick with the SS198 before I rely on SS197, SS195, or the AE tmj. But as things sit after testing I have done, I prefer to reload my own rounds to faster velocities with better bullets.
At least penetration depth in clear ballistics gel is scientific in nature. Your evidence is all anecdotal. That is not scientific and it is not the real world either.

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Post by grimmond » 02 Aug 2016, 04:20

Kiran you need to learn how to use google. There are hundreds of pictures, documents, and statements leaked from Iraq and Afganistan and other places that back up what I saw daily for 10 years. That evidence is visual proof and far outweighs any of your gel tests which are anecdotal. If the wounds from a combat zone are not real world nor fact, then you are living in a fantasy. Go put a uniform on and spend 10 years taking care of soldiers from both sides with bullet holes in them then you can talk. Gel for a FACT, does not respond like human tissue. It is a close similation that shows possibilities but can never be 100%. A gel test is purely anecdotal. Also by your statement you are saying that FNH and EA knows nothing even though they have tested and utilize that bullet. That is a FACT. And you disregarded buffmans statement above that he would still use SS198. Just because you watch two video tests does not prove fact. Especially considering that they were not performed in a scientifically controlled manner. (No offense meant Buff to your videos).That is also anecdotal by definition and not scientific.Your comments on these topics has proven your ignorance.
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Post by panzermk2 » 02 Aug 2016, 16:20

This is why I have stated in the past that I am not a fan of jello shots.

This is I prefer bone in pork shoulders.

Yet since you want more jello here is a video of a jello test performed under lab condition by a well respected Ballistics lab.




And yes I am being snarky calling them jello shots. Depending on spelling one in your tummy is good and the other not so much.
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Post by panzermk2 » 02 Aug 2016, 16:22

I know years back I had some first gen S4 bone in videos but I can't find them right now.


I may just make a new one using our current S4M loaded on our EA brass.
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Post by panzermk2 » 02 Aug 2016, 16:37

Here is another from them but S4M, I am not shire which version they used, but I believe based on the velocity it was the first generation of it.



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Post by grimmond » 02 Aug 2016, 19:12

panzermk2 wrote:This is why I have stated in the past that I am not a fan of jello shots.

This is I prefer bone in pork shoulders.

Yet since you want more jello here is a video of a jello test performed under lab condition by a well respected Ballistics lab.




And yes I am being snarky calling them jello shots. Depending on spelling one in your tummy is good and the other not so much.
Mmmmmm Jell-O shots, yes please..
Here is a pork shoulder test of SS198 performed by Buffman.

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Post by panzermk2 » 03 Aug 2016, 09:30

I also have some data from the last 30 days, I can't share it yet though as it's testing requested by and performed by some alphabet soup organizations.

They used beef sides though, no jello.
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