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Post by Buffman » 07 Jul 2012, 19:48



This is still FNH brass (headstamp 2012).

PS90 tests coming soon. It seems to get almost as good as SS197SR velocities from the PS90.

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Post by Grantness » 07 Jul 2012, 20:25

Anyone know what kind of bullet that is? Is it available as a component or only as part of this cartridge? what kind of prices are we talking about? It looks a lot like a FB Matchking or Gameking...but its not a hollow point.

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Post by Esteves » 07 Jul 2012, 20:27

Shades of SS196 all over again. Five percent less velocity and 10 percent less energy than SS197
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Post by Grantness » 07 Jul 2012, 20:30

It would have to be cheap and widely available to make it worthwhile if only for plinking... That or if I can't find that particular bullet anywhere for reloading.

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Post by spayne3 » 07 Jul 2012, 20:39

Thanks for the video.

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Post by Buffman » 07 Jul 2012, 20:59

Esteves wrote:Shades of SS196 all over again. Five percent less velocity and 10 percent less energy than SS197

SS196 is still almost 100 fps slower than this.

I overpaid for it, but considering SS197SR is like $25/box right now, $24.xx/box for this will do as plinking ammo. I'd really like to see this hit the projected $18.99/box or less, and find it at WM or something in the future.

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Post by Rapier1772 » 07 Jul 2012, 23:35

Thanks for the info Buffman. I've never chrono'ed anything out my PS90, I should check into that, now I'm curious.

Did you get a chance to check accuracy? (Don't need vid just what you think)
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Post by blacklabelop » 08 Jul 2012, 03:45

I could care less if it is underpowered... daddy needs some plinking rounds!

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Post by blaster1 » 08 Jul 2012, 04:52

Thanks for the report. It looks to be just a hair shy of the SS197SR round velocity but probably not enough to make a difference.

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 08 Jul 2012, 05:24

blaster1 wrote:Thanks for the report. It looks to be just a hair shy of the SS197SR round velocity but probably not enough to make a difference.
I choron'd SS197 at an average of 1709fps which is 80fps or about 5% faster.

I should make a big difference if you are talking about SD/HD, especially because of the bullet itself. FMJ's are much more likely to over-penetrate as compared to the VMAX bullet. It seems to me that the American Eagle flavor is best suited for plinking while the SS197 can make a reasonable SD/HD round.

Full disclosure: I only use SS197 for plinking. I only use EA's loads for carry/SD/HD, specifically the S4M.




EDIT: Thanks Buffman for the video. Any plans to shoot clay, meat, etc. to see what the round does?
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Post by Esteves » 08 Jul 2012, 07:37

Buffman wrote:SS196 is still almost 100 fps slower than this.

I overpaid for it, but considering SS197SR is like $25/box right now, $24.xx/box for this will do as plinking ammo. I'd really like to see this hit the projected $18.99/box or less, and find it at WM or something in the future.
It would be nice to have a COTS plinking round available. My other comment was really just pointing out the obvious: that it's a move backwards from a performance point of view.

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Post by blaster1 » 08 Jul 2012, 08:18

jgreenberg01 wrote:
blaster1 wrote:Thanks for the report. It looks to be just a hair shy of the SS197SR round velocity but probably not enough to make a difference.
I choron'd SS197 at an average of 1709fps which is 80fps or about 5% faster.

I should make a big difference if you are talking about SD/HD, especially because of the bullet itself. FMJ's are much more likely to over-penetrate as compared to the VMAX bullet. It seems to me that the American Eagle flavor is best suited for plinking while the SS197 can make a reasonable SD/HD round.

Full disclosure: I only use SS197 for plinking. I only use EA's loads for carry/SD/HD, specifically the S4M.




EDIT: Thanks Buffman for the video. Any plans to shoot clay, meat, etc. to see what the round does?
I chronon'd SS197SR at an avg of 1662fps from the FsN and 2047fps from the PS90 so didn't see the difference as significant compared to your data.

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 08 Jul 2012, 08:42

SS197 performance can vary greatly from lot to lot (and even in some cases rounds from within the same box!). On average I get 1700fps+.
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Post by Buffman » 08 Jul 2012, 08:58

I've chrono'd SS197SR as low as 1686 average in 35F weather. I've noticed that with the 5.7 rounds I've fired, they seem very temperature stable. I've shot SS198LF at 2111 fps in 35F weather, and when retesting yesterday, in 97F weather, they were no faster.

SS197SR as mentioned is lot dependent. Fast I've gotten SS197SR to average is 1728 fps.

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Rapier1772 wrote:Thanks for the info Buffman. I've never chrono'ed anything out my PS90, I should check into that, now I'm curious.

Did you get a chance to check accuracy? (Don't need vid just what you think)
Didn't really check accuracy, but I was getting my typical on par results. I'll have to go back out with a target :)

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Post by Mister Freeze » 08 Jul 2012, 15:31

That's a TMJ!
Was it intact enough to reload?
Where did you get the AE's?

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I would like to know who is making that bullet.
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Post by Esteves » 08 Jul 2012, 16:03

I'd take a WAG and bet on Speer.
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Post by panzermk2 » 08 Jul 2012, 16:13

Esteves wrote:I'd take a WAG and bet on Speer.

I would have to see a pulled bullet in person to compare it. It would be nice if they started selling it. I have wanted a lighter FMJ for a long time.
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Post by Buffman » 08 Jul 2012, 16:41

Mister Freeze wrote:That's a TMJ!
Was it intact enough to reload?
Where did you get the AE's?

you probably could. I wouldn't think this would be a typical plated TMJ as I thought copper plating wasn't rated for high velocity (like over 1300 fps), and was why it was reserved for common pistol calibers..

I my case from HK Specialist. They were the first I've seen so far to actually have (well had) some in stock. Someone on FNforum said his local shop had some as well.

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panzermk2 wrote:
Esteves wrote:I'd take a WAG and bet on Speer.

I would have to see a pulled bullet in person to compare it. It would be nice if they started selling it. I have wanted a lighter FMJ for a long time.
If you want I could send you a 10-20 of them :)

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Buffman wrote:
panzermk2 wrote:
Esteves wrote:I'd take a WAG and bet on Speer.

I would have to see a pulled bullet in person to compare it. It would be nice if they started selling it. I have wanted a lighter FMJ for a long time.
If you want I could send you a 10-20 of them :)

Just 2 or 3 would be nice. I would want to section one of them.
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Post by Grantness » 08 Jul 2012, 17:58

If this is indeed a unique bullet, I'm gonna have to buy some of these rounds to pull and reload... I'd be willing to bet I can do better than 1650fps :D

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Post by panzermk2 » 10 Jul 2012, 10:33

Buffman wrote:

They look more like copper washed bullets like Berry's instead of actual copper jackets. Interesting.
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Post by Buffman » 10 Jul 2012, 10:51

They do after shooting them through the door.

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Post by panzermk2 » 16 Jul 2012, 11:26

28gr FNH next to it.



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panzermk2 wrote:
They look more like copper washed bullets like Berry's instead of actual copper jackets. Interesting.
Some 22lr ammo is copper washed. Berry's are copper plated. The thickness difference between the 2 is significant.

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srt-4_jon wrote:
panzermk2 wrote:
They look more like copper washed bullets like Berry's instead of actual copper jackets. Interesting.
Some 22lr ammo is copper washed. Berry's are copper plated. The thickness difference between the 2 is significant.

I made that statement BEFORE I had them in hand based on Buffmans's pics.


The jacket and the base are to separate pieces. It's hard to see the seam in the pic.
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Post by srt-4_jon » 16 Jul 2012, 12:37

What I am saying is that berry's aren't copper washed, they are plated. Cci mini mags are copper washed.

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Post by Buffman » 16 Jul 2012, 18:21

btw from my test today these go through a level II vest :)

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Post by Mister Freeze » 18 Jul 2012, 04:43

I contacted Federal to find a local retailer. According to them, they don't make 5.7x28 in any of their brands.
We don't make a 5.7x28mm round in any of our brands.

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Post by Mister Freeze » 18 Jul 2012, 06:18

Nice! We'll see what they say now!

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Post by Mister Freeze » 18 Jul 2012, 06:22

Well you certainly got me on this one. I had to do some more checking on this and found out we just recently developed that load and started selling this load. It is going to be in 2013 catalog and I am sure that it will then be on-line as well. I am going to forward your e-mail to customer service to see if they can get you to a retailer that may have some of this product. Be aware that there is a significant back order on this product so supplies may be intermittent for awhile.

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Post by Rapier1772 » 18 Jul 2012, 08:14

HA! Busted. Customer knows more about they sell than they do :laugh:

At least they were willing to accept their mistake & actually check into it :D
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Post by Mister Freeze » 19 Jul 2012, 06:13

I am sending you a small care package for being spot on with the 5.7x28.

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Post by Buffman » 19 Jul 2012, 06:51

Now MF,

you should share with us, what you got in said care package :)

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Post by blacklabelop » 19 Jul 2012, 07:18

so who has a link on where to buy this stuff cheap ( :

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Buffman wrote:Now MF,

you should share with us, what you got in said care package :)

I have to receive it first!

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Post by Buffman » 19 Jul 2012, 09:25

cheap, no. available, good luck :( I bought one case from HK specialist and they had 4 cases.

If someone really wants some, I'm not oppossed to offers for a few rounds or something

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Buffman wrote:
Esteves wrote:Shades of SS196 all over again. Five percent less velocity and 10 percent less energy than SS197

SS196 is still almost 100 fps slower than this.

I overpaid for it, but considering SS197SR is like $25/box right now, $24.xx/box for this will do as plinking ammo. I'd really like to see this hit the projected $18.99/box or less, and find it at WM or something in the future.

What info do you have on the $18.99/box price? Is that an MSRP or something I can confirm with Federal?

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Post by ShockedNKansas » 19 Jul 2012, 13:10

It's so exciting that we have a new 5.7 ammo manufacturer. It's even more exciting that they are using a new bullet instead of just copying what is already out there. They actually designed a whole new round. There's a reason that FNH doesn't sell a 5.7 FMJ round to the public. Expect these down in Mexico in short order. :(

These will out penetrate SS195 (blue) and SS197 in respect to body armor. Am I correct?

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Mister Freeze wrote:
Buffman wrote:
Esteves wrote:Shades of SS196 all over again. Five percent less velocity and 10 percent less energy than SS197

SS196 is still almost 100 fps slower than this.

I overpaid for it, but considering SS197SR is like $25/box right now, $24.xx/box for this will do as plinking ammo. I'd really like to see this hit the projected $18.99/box or less, and find it at WM or something in the future.

What info do you have on the $18.99/box price? Is that an MSRP or something I can confirm with Federal?
That was what was tossed around on a few of the websites that had it in their inventory, but not in stock. No clue if that's MSRP, or what

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ShockedNKansas wrote:It's so exciting that we have a new 5.7 ammo manufacturer. It's even more exciting that they are using a new bullet instead of just copying what is already out there. They actually designed a whole new round. There's a reason that FNH doesn't sell a 5.7 FMJ round to the public. Expect these down in Mexico in short order. :(

These will out penetrate SS195 (blue) and SS197 in respect to body armor. Am I correct?
I will test SS197SR again and see if it will do a level II. Level II was no match for SS195LF either, but I'd have to test it against level IIIA to see if AE TMJ out penetrated it.

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ShockedNKansas wrote:It's so exciting that we have a new 5.7 ammo manufacturer.
Federal makes ss197

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srt-4_jon wrote:
ShockedNKansas wrote:It's so exciting that we have a new 5.7 ammo manufacturer.
Federal makes ss197
fiochhi does, federal distributes it

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Post by Kilibreaux » 20 Jul 2012, 01:16

I'd like to see another manufacturer making 27-35 grain loads with a spitzer boat-tail profile. Even with lower BC's, 27 grain bullets can be safely launched as velocities that allow "battle sight zero" out to 125 yards. Retained KE is less than a nice 40 grain spitzer, but the trajectory is still flatter.

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Post by Mister Freeze » 21 Jul 2012, 13:52

That was fast!

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Post by nrv216 » 21 Jul 2012, 15:48

Freeze, that's not bad at all considering all you did was make somebody look silly! But seriously, it is nice to know that some of the big dogs still care about their customers. Now, if only they had sent you some of this mysterious 5.7x28 ammo!

BTW thanks for doing all this testing Buffman! I definitely can't wait til (fingers crossed, knock on wood and all that) this stuff is widely available.

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Post by Mister Freeze » 21 Jul 2012, 18:00

the catalog they sent is junk: 2012. The 2013 is supposed to list the 5.7x28. Their ballistic data would be nice to compare with real-world results.

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Post by Buffman » 22 Jul 2012, 12:36

ShockedNKansas wrote:It's so exciting that we have a new 5.7 ammo manufacturer. It's even more exciting that they are using a new bullet instead of just copying what is already out there. They actually designed a whole new round. There's a reason that FNH doesn't sell a 5.7 FMJ round to the public. Expect these down in Mexico in short order. :(

These will out penetrate SS195 (blue) and SS197 in respect to body armor. Am I correct?

SS197 only made it through 9 layers...

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Post by taseal » 25 Jul 2012, 06:23

so anything new with these? probably won't see them for several months

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Post by Mister Freeze » 25 Jul 2012, 06:38

Federal does have a run planned for late September

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Mister Freeze wrote:Federal does have a run planned for late September
Hopefully that means we will see it at stores (non inflated) couple months after that.

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Post by ShockedNKansas » 30 Jul 2012, 16:46

panzermk2 wrote:28gr FNH next to it.



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Jay,

I don't know why I didn't notice this before. It's obvious from your photos that the AE round is quite a bit shorter than the 28gr FNH round. I though the AE round was taller. As short as it is, there isn't much different from the V-Max is there? In fact, the V-Max might be more reliable when it comes to expansion. This bullet looks like it's going to be one hell of a penetrator, but perhaps behave more like like an ice pick? What do you think?

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Post by ShockedNKansas » 30 Jul 2012, 16:55

Buffmeister, if I may be so bold, I think we need an American Eagle pork shoulder test. We need to see what this biotch does in human simulant. :cya: :D

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Post by Buffman » 30 Jul 2012, 17:04

LOL. I did shoot it into water, and from shooting the SS197SR into water, it pertty much acts like an FMJ and didn't expand.. ALthought that's just water, and we know from Jeff's gel tests, SS197SR will expand and fragment..

I could do another piggy test soon. It's been a month. Although I'm not sure what kind of damage it will do unless it hits something hard and expands, but we can see.

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Post by ShockedNKansas » 30 Jul 2012, 19:29

Buffman wrote:LOL. I did shoot it into water, and from shooting the SS197SR into water, it pertty much acts like an FMJ and didn't expand.. ALthought that's just water, and we know from Jeff's gel tests, SS197SR will expand and fragment..

I could do another piggy test soon. It's been a month. Although I'm not sure what kind of damage it will do unless it hits something hard and expands, but we can see.
Hmmm, I forgot you did the water test on the AE. Water should cause a frangible projectile to over expand. Thus, if it didn't expand in water, it sure as heck ain't expanding in pig, unless like you said, it hits bone. It looks like we might have another PenetraTOR round eh? I guess I got a little over excited about this round because for some reason I thought it was a tumbler.

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Post by Buffman » 30 Jul 2012, 20:20

Well if you remember the water test it did seem to yaw at one point and exit the water jug at a higher point then it entered.

I wonder what it would do if we drilled the nose of the bullet out.

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Post by Grantness » 31 Jul 2012, 14:09

Buffman wrote:Well if you remember the water test it did seem to yaw at one point and exit the water jug at a higher point then it entered.

I wonder what it would do if we drilled the nose of the bullet out.
For our purposes, the point of an FMJ is to maintain its integrity and tumble. Drilling out the nose might make it expand more easily, but thats why we already have bullets like the VMax, Varmint Grenade, GameKing, etc... IMO, prob not worth the effort. The only benefit I can think of would be making the bullet lighter. Whether it would go fast enough to be worthwhile is another question :?:

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Post by Lurkin » 10 Aug 2012, 17:28

where are you finding this american eagle ammo at?

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Post by Buffman » 11 Aug 2012, 08:34

I found it at HK specialists. However they only had 4 cases when I found it, and after I bought a case it was all gone. According to some that have called Federal you may see this stuff hit more stores in the fall.

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Post by Lurkin » 11 Aug 2012, 08:36

what was the price on it? i looked on federal site and it dont even show up there. i heard it's suppose to be around 16.00 a box of 50

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Post by Buffman » 11 Aug 2012, 09:24

If it's $16/box it will sell like hotcakes.. I paid $24.xx a box after shipping, but realize the month ago when I bought it SS197SR was nowhere to be found for under $25.50/box. Some have said it may not show up until the 2013 Federal catalog.

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Post by OrigamiRobot » 11 Aug 2012, 10:59

My local range has it for 24.99. I seem to be the only one buying it.

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Post by Lurkin » 11 Aug 2012, 11:15

my local range buys it like 10 cases at a time and always has plenty on hand, price tag says 25.99. i have gotten it for around 23.00 thats the ss195lf round

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Post by DmL5 » 11 Aug 2012, 11:51

Lurkin wrote:my local range buys it like 10 cases at a time and always has plenty on hand, price tag says 25.99. i have gotten it for around 23.00 thats the ss195lf round
For SS195LF, that price is about average. SS197SR is usually quite a bit cheaper, and this new load should be too.

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OrigamiRobot wrote:My local range has it for 24.99. I seem to be the only one buying it.
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Post by Lurkin » 11 Aug 2012, 16:49

OrigamiRobot wrote:My local range has it for 24.99. I seem to be the only one buying it.
whats the name of your local range?

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Post by Onejzsupra » 13 Aug 2012, 08:16

I might have to have a look in the local area to see if I can find some. I was just looking on line and talking to a friend that has a PS90 about this round. I look forward to the level II test buffman!

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Post by Buffman » 13 Aug 2012, 08:37

Level II test already done. Went right through it :)
Check youtube :)
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Post by Onejzsupra » 13 Aug 2012, 08:38

awesome! how about level III?

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Post by Buffman » 13 Aug 2012, 08:46

I did IIIA, no penetration from the FSN

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Post by OrigamiRobot » 14 Aug 2012, 05:44

Lurkin wrote:whats the name of your local range?
Firepower, Inc. Don't buy all my ammo!

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Post by Lurkin » 15 Aug 2012, 14:23

OrigamiRobot wrote:
Lurkin wrote:whats the name of your local range?
Firepower, Inc. Don't buy all my ammo!
LOL, i wont.

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Post by HeavyDMP » 16 Aug 2012, 08:41

As to the availability of this ammo, I spoke to Roger Cope of Cope's Distribution yesterday for a few minutes. In summary, he believes that this ammo will be available in large quantities around November 2012 and more or les $19~$22/box. I hope to have some soon...

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Post by Zand » 18 Aug 2012, 13:56

My local range has it in stock for $22/50. I've got another shop that I actually prefer to buy ammo at though, and the owner didn't even know this stuff was out. He checked with his distributor and found out he can get it for $17/50. So it's just a matter of mark-up after that. I think he said his distributor had the MSRP listed as $24.99. He's the local FNH distributor, so I definitely made a friend by letting him know about this. :)

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Post by Zand » 20 Aug 2012, 15:40

Just tried this ammo out of both a PS-90 and a Five-Seven. Consistent accuracy and 0 problems feeding. Definitely good enough for range ammo.

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Post by Crawfish80 » 21 Aug 2012, 23:39

I shot some last month. Definitely not a issue with reliability, went through 200 rounds at the range. Seems to go down range quite well.

I believe that they were charging 23 bucks a box. Not a bad price. I asked them about a bulk order and they told me that they would get back to me with bunk prices.

Also if you check out on line you can see that people were only asking under 19 bucks or so a box. I would love to start seeing 5.7 ammo go for under 20 bucks a box. It would mean a lot more shooting time for me at the range.

Lets hope that American Eagle kicks up the production! :clap:

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Post by Buffman » 22 Aug 2012, 03:29

All the places askingg $19/box were all vaporware. Never in stock. I need to validate this, but someone has claimed this is still Fiocchi loaded ammo just prettied up in an AE box

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Post by Cwc » 23 Aug 2012, 15:50

Havn't seen any yet. Hopefully they will be plentiful at some point.

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Post by Bax » 07 Sep 2012, 09:46

I finally found some of these locally. They were $19.95 per box, so i bought every one they had. Now i can start building up my brass supply!

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Post by Cwc » 07 Sep 2012, 15:01

Congrats on the find. Still Havn't seen any in Georgia. Looking to build my brass supply as well.

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Post by Bax » 07 Sep 2012, 15:12

This really excited me because a box of SS197 was running $26-$30 locally. And at under $20 per box, I dont feel quite as jaded about buying the AE

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Post by FN574me » 10 Sep 2012, 20:27

Just a few days ago I saw this type of round on gunbroker.com, offered at $20 a box for a a 500 round case. I checked yesterday, all gone. I emailed the broker and he told me he'll have more in a few weeks or so.

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Post by Cwc » 15 Sep 2012, 13:43

Cabellas has it in stock for 19.99.

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Post by Bax » 16 Sep 2012, 09:30

Cwc wrote:Cabellas has it in stock for 19.99.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting ... t104372280

If you search for 5.7x28, it only pulls up SS197

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Post by chrisbuser » 16 Sep 2012, 12:05

Just bought some this am. Search under handgun ammo.

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Post by Bax » 16 Sep 2012, 13:49

Now I might be making this up in my head, and I cant verify this right now because I dont have any ammo with me while Im out of town. But doesnt Fiocci make the blue box ammo for the 5.7?

I was on Federal's website today and noticed that they had the blue box listed there. Is Fiocci owned by Federal?

http://www.federalpremium.com/resources/fnh_usa.aspx

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Post by Rapier1772 » 16 Sep 2012, 14:41

Bottom of my blue box 197 says "Located in the United States by Fiocchi, USA"
From http://www.fiocchiusa.com/foa/CMS/Aboutus.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Fiocchi of America is one of the international divisions wholly owned by Fiocchi Munizion"
The way I read it, Fiocchi is not owned by anyone other than Fiocchi.

The link you provided says
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Post by Buffman » 16 Sep 2012, 15:10

Federal Distributes FN ammo..

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Post by Bax » 16 Sep 2012, 15:15

Rapier1772 wrote:Distributed does not mean made by
Well, if I were literate..... I might have noticed that :ponder:

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Post by blueorison » 26 Sep 2012, 14:45

I just realized that this will be the first, IIRC, mass produced 5.7x28mm round that does not have a MIL or GOV designation.

So now when we mention it, I guess we'll call it AE FMJ?
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Post by Mister Freeze » 26 Sep 2012, 16:53

TMJ

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Post by Kerberos » 26 Sep 2012, 17:10

Mister Freeze wrote:TMJ
The cardboard case says TMJ, but the actual boxes of 50 rounds say FMJ. But the actual projectiles ARE TMJ, right?
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Post by Mister Freeze » 26 Sep 2012, 17:42

Yes. The base is also jacketed

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