Two NEW firearm models chambered for 5.7x28mm by EXCEL ARMS

Discuss rifles chambered for the 5.7x28mm; P90, PS90, and AR57.
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Post by jmz5 » 17 Nov 2010, 12:05

Can't wait to get my hands on one!
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Post by fzr confused » 23 Nov 2010, 21:01

any chance of you all making a bull barrel version of the X series down the road? i really like both rifles, and would love to have the bull barrel, but higher capacity is a big factor to me. that or any chance of a higher cap mag for the accelerator?

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Post by wahlspyder » 27 Nov 2010, 13:06

Finally got a chance to try out my new Excel MP-17 (Accelerator) which is the basis for one of the new 5.7's they are coming out with - thought you guys might want to know what I thought. The pistol is very well made and heavy. I have only put about 50 rounds through so far so take all of what I say with a grain of salt. Not feeding well yet but getting better so I don't think that will be a problem once I have fired some more rounds to break everything in. As far as shooting the pistol, two words come to mind - amazing and disappointing. Accuracy potential of this pistol is amazing. I believe it has the potential to be one of the most accurate pistols and by far the most accurate semi-auto I have ever fired. The disappointing comes in relationship to the trigger. It is the roughest stiffest most awful I have ever pulled. Remember, I only have just under 50 rounds down the pipe so far and should get better, but my Kel-Tec DAO's have better triggers and they are awful. Part of the reason there are so few rounds down the pipe is because I couldn't pull that trigger anymore. Bottom line - these guns have the potential to be great, but mine is ruined by a trigger that is (thus far) atrocious. Again - remember - less than 50 rounds fired so far. Will let you all know what I find as I shoot it more.

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Post by theflow » 27 Nov 2010, 17:43

Very cool

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Post by darksidemxer » 28 Nov 2010, 19:08

Anyway to put a find out how many lbs it breaks at? I know my 10/22 breaks at 10lbs and that's too heavy for mme to wanna ttry any accuracy shooting

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Post by wahlspyder » 29 Nov 2010, 03:04

Wish I had a scale to try it. Took it out yesterday to try to get some more rounds through and quit from hand fatigue after 1 magazine.

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Post by panzermk2 » 29 Nov 2010, 15:26

wahlspyder wrote:Wish I had a scale to try it. Took it out yesterday to try to get some more rounds through and quit from hand fatigue after 1 magazine.

Interesting maybe EA should look into trigger on the Excel system like we do on the FsN. These are all early production guns though and that might have something to do with it. Also takes at least 300 rounds to break a gun in it might/should get better.
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Post by Excel Arms » 29 Nov 2010, 15:42

wahlspyder,

If you would like for us to take a look at your trigger we can get you a RA number for return shipment.. Normally there is not an issue with the trigger pull, It should be around 4 to 5 lbs..

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Post by panzermk2 » 29 Nov 2010, 18:43

Well there you go.
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Post by fzr confused » 29 Nov 2010, 19:34

4-5lb trigger should be just fine for most people :)....of course there are always people that like to tweak it and make it even better though ;)

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Post by wahlspyder » 30 Nov 2010, 02:40

Well, Its nowhere near 4-5 lbs, but I haven't gotten through the recommended break-in either. Sounds like one way or another I'm going to have a good shooter though whether the trigger loosens up on its own or the good people at Excel take care of it.

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Post by jmz5 » 08 Dec 2010, 13:31

Any updates on the new models? I am anxious. :D
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Post by Excel Arms » 10 Dec 2010, 13:27

Hello we are finishing up some magazine tooling on the new models.. Still January seems to be the month of production availability!

We did have a great response to the new 5.7 line at our NASGW show last month, And our wholesalers already have placed orders for them. We will be attending ELLETT's and CAMFOUR's dealer shows next month, and invite anyone that is attending these shows to come by our booth and say Hi and view our new products!


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Post by buckett » 10 Dec 2010, 13:39

Can't wait to get my hands on one of these!!
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Excel Arms wrote:Hello we are finishing up some magazine tooling on the new models.. Still January seems to be the month of production availability!

We did have a great response to the new 5.7 line at our NASGW show last month, And our wholesalers already have placed orders for them. We will be attending ELLETT's and CAMFOUR's dealer shows next month, and invite anyone that is attending these shows to come by our booth and say Hi and view our new products!


Thanks to Elite Ammunition for sending some of their ammo! Cant wait to see how it performs in our line.. :guns:
Well, they'll perform SUPER. But when you send EA (and me) some guns, then we can test them for you and when EA comes out with their tuned loads for the bbl length....

watch out....

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Post by wahlspyder » 29 Jan 2011, 14:22

Update on Excel arms accelerator (.17HMR version)

Had reported on early heavy trigger and jamming from top half of the magazine. Happy to say that after firing a few more break in rounds, cleaning thoroughly, and oiling trigger group with synthetic oil all is well and the pistol is every bit as accurate as i'd hoped.

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Post by Lobo » 16 Apr 2011, 21:45

any updates on the 5.7 models?

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Post by Adjuster » 12 May 2011, 07:34

A CX4 type carbine that uses the standard FsN 20 round mags would be awesome. (And there are easy upgrades to make it a 30 rounder, or more.)

The AR style setup is nice too, as many are used to that platform, and can go from using a 9mm AR carbine to the 5.7x28 to keep carry rounds the same if using the FsN pistol for duty carry for example. (One of the things I love about the CX4 is the 92 mags from the pistol fit the carbine, and large capacity mags fit either as well.)

These appear to be very nice options, especially for the prices! :)

If the thumbhole stock'd setup used the FsN mags, that's it right there. 16.1" stainless fluted bull, and if I can be so bold, back up sights built into the optics mounting rail. (Peep type, under the mount, sure the sight radius is short, but they are only back up sights, and any holo type, or red dot can be mounted above it.)

It would be an awesome back up/truck weapon for duty carry.

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Post by Prepper » 12 May 2011, 09:37

Adjuster wrote:A CX4 type carbine that uses the standard FsN 20 round mags would be awesome. (And there are easy upgrades to make it a 30 rounder, or more.)

The AR style setup is nice too, as many are used to that platform, and can go from using a 9mm AR carbine to the 5.7x28 to keep carry rounds the same if using the FsN pistol for duty carry for example. (One of the things I love about the CX4 is the 92 mags from the pistol fit the carbine, and large capacity mags fit either as well.)

These appear to be very nice options, especially for the prices! :)

If the thumbhole stock'd setup used the FsN mags, that's it right there. 16.1" stainless fluted bull, and if I can be so bold, back up sights built into the optics mounting rail. (Peep type, under the mount, sure the sight radius is short, but they are only back up sights, and any holo type, or red dot can be mounted above it.)

It would be an awesome back up/truck weapon for duty carry.

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Post by Prepper » 12 May 2011, 16:27

The last I heard these were supposed to be out in January. Has anyone got one yet?
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that's what I was sort of asking in my post.... :ponder:

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Post by Excel Arms » 17 May 2011, 14:55

Hello..

Sorry for the slow response...

Our production is progressing a little slower then planned.. Not any problems with the guns just not enough time in the day.. But I can assure everyone we will be shipping soon! :D

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Post by panzermk2 » 17 May 2011, 21:59

Dieing to do some testing!
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Any word as to when these will be ready to ship?
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Post by sib1948 » 11 Oct 2011, 05:04

Emailed Exel this morning to see if I could get an update on when their 5.7 chambered line might be available. The pistols and rifles both look very interesting to me. I can't understand what is taking so long when there are so many interested parties. I'll let you guys know if I get any kind of response from them.

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Post by sib1948 » 11 Oct 2011, 06:30

I realize it's been over a year. Makes me wonder about management or finances in these difficult times.

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Post by panzermk2 » 11 Oct 2011, 12:26

Keep in mind they where moving and setting up another shop in another state.
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Post by ynoty3k » 11 Oct 2011, 20:37

It also appears that the Accelerator rifle/pistol are gone from the lineup, just leaving the X series.

Seems their 17hmr version of the accelerator too is gone. I talked at great length with a local shop owner who said he had never gotten it to work right, sent it back and forth over 3x to no avail. He was a gunsmith himself, but didn't want to tinker too heavily being that it was still brand spankin new.

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Post by panzermk2 » 11 Oct 2011, 21:17

Rimfires are much harder to make work then centerfire.
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sib1948 wrote:Emailed Exel this morning to see if I could get an update on when their 5.7 chambered line might be available. The pistols and rifles both look very interesting to me. I can't understand what is taking so long when there are so many interested parties. I'll let you guys know if I get any kind of response from them.

Sorry for delay in reponding to your email. I will say that the ACCELERATOR SERIES is now shipping with the X-SERIES soon to follow. We started shipping models: MR-5.7 (RIFLES) first and are now shipping pistols.
jmz5 wrote:Any word as to when these will be ready to ship?


Your on the top of my list! I appreciate your patience.
ynoty3k wrote:It also appears that the Accelerator rifle/pistol are gone from the lineup, just leaving the X series.
Seems their 17hmr version of the accelerator too is gone. I talked at great length with a local shop owner who said he had never gotten it to work right, sent it back and forth over 3x to no avail. He was a gunsmith himself, but didn't want to tinker too heavily being that it was still brand spankin new.
We have not removed the ACCELERATOR SERIES from our line. We have stopped producing 17HMR models due to the inconsistent ammo. ACCELERATOR SERIES is available in 22WMR and now 5.7x28mm which is going very strong!
panzermk2 wrote:Rimfires are much harder to make work then centerfire.
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Post by mel023 » 09 Nov 2011, 02:26

Can a fixed length AR style buttstock, i.e. an A2 be fitted to an X-5.7 rifle? I'm not a big fan of the telescoping stocks and I think putting a fixed stock on this rifle would be a great idea. I might be the only one who thinks so but to each their own right?

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Yes.. A fixed or folding stock can be used.
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Post by Bear69 » 27 Mar 2012, 15:26

does anyone own one of these rifles?

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Post by Agentmoops » 22 Apr 2012, 20:50

I do "Bear", I have the accelerator chambered in 5.7x28mm, bought it a couple of months ago, haven't even gotten it through the break-in period yet and its already broken the internal bolt/buffer. In fact, have called/left messages for Excel several times without a return call. Not sure whats up with that but not very good business in my eyes. I'd be eager to speak with a representative of theirs if one of them reads this?? :-)

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Excel MP-5.7 Review
All, this is my first post here, and I would like to recount for you my success with a fine Excel Arms product, the MP-5.7. I would like to do this….I would also like to have hair, but that isn’t happening either. Let me jump right into it.

I returned from Afghanistan in early 2014, and decided I wanted to purchase a 5.7 chambered pistol. The Excel looked like a bargain, and the longer bull barrel promised an increased velocity. I shopped gunbroker, and eventually struck a deal in November for just under $600.00, including the FFL transfer and shipping.
The pistol arrived shortly after, and in December, I went to the range with my new acquisition to take the measure of the pistol. This was somewhat curtailed by the minor fact that the pistol DID NOT FIRE. Not only did this new, out of the box pistol not fire, it did not even show a primer strike in several dozen attempts. I have purchased 110 year old Colts, new pistols from Kel-Tec to Sig and have never, ever, had a turd out of the box, but I surely had one now.
I went on to the Excel website, and contacted them immediately…..nothing. I waited a month, and repeated the procedure…nothing. I called, and was trapped in the hell of endless phone message, so I wrote again, and on 21 May 2015, I received the following response:
“Hello – Sorry to hear about your trouble.

Can you check to be sure the screws, specifically the rear screw on the top of the pistol rib is snug down tight with the allen Hex wrench.
The screws can become loose and this will cause malfunctions. They need to be kept snug down tight.

If after you have checked the screws, then you can send the firearm into us to check out for you.
Your Return Authorization number is RA# XXXXX.
Ship it to our address listed below. Do not include any live rounds, but do include your magazines.
Please fill out the warranty card and send it in to activate the warranty.

Thanks.
Kathy”

While not exactly pleased with being told to repair my own firearm before sending it in, I tried it, no joy. I whipped the pistol to Excel Arms, which Fed Ex (on my dime) confirmed arrived on 29 May 2015.
Insert long pause of hearing nothing here, not even an email confirming receipt.

I wrote an email to Kathy on 01 June (no response) and a second on 10 July 2015, which stated the following:
“Second Inquiry (first un-responded) as to the status of my pistol. I am becoming....concerned.”
On 12 July 2015, I received the following reply”
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The firearm is here. I will get back to you on Monday or Tuesday to advise.
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Since then (it is now the early hours of 18 July 2015) I have not heard a word, through any of the vast communications options available. I have no pistol, no $600.00 and even if I received the item back tomorrow, it would be forever stained in my mind by indifferent and slipshod construction, followed by perversely bad customer service. This is a firearm, a somewhat serious product, and this bunch seems to care about neither their customers nor their reputation.

So I am posting here, and to every related discussion board I can find. Please consider my experience with the Excel Arms MP-5.7 before you purchase this shiny doorstop. The typical negative customer service experience gets related between 11 and 20 times, I am going to try to better this number, and perhaps in doing so can create pressure on Excel Arms to better their customer focus.

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Post by Grocerius Maximus » 23 Jul 2015, 18:49

I consider mine a $600.00 suppository.

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Post by wtsane1 » 24 Jul 2015, 00:26

24 July 2015.....still silent

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Post by CPTKILLER » 24 Jul 2015, 05:57

I will wait for user reviews. Then maybe?

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Post by panzermk2 » 24 Jul 2015, 08:54

I seem to be the only person who has one that functions.
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Post by wtsane1 » 24 Jul 2015, 09:03

The question I have is how Excel not be aware of the impact of this issue on their reputation in the firearms community? And knowing they have serious credibility issues, can decline to engage to improve their bottom line?

Personally I will not stop until my issue has been addressed. I consider the current situation to be theft. I am out $600 and if I add the shipping of this pistol to Excel, $670 or so. I am going to recoup this cost, through either resolution of the issue, reimbursement of my costs, or impact on their bottom line. It bothers me that the situation is thus, but it was not my failure to pay, or my failure to trust in their product which caused the issue. The issue was caused by their apparent disregard for the most basic criteria of customer service: communication.

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Post by Litehiker » 02 Sep 2015, 11:17

The People's Republic of California ia partly responsible for the 9 round magazine limit these guys have.

Give them time to add mags with 20 and 30 rounds to make folks like me here in Neveda drool over their guns.

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Post by jmz5 » 02 Sep 2015, 17:18

You are going to be waiting a long time, last time excel has been active here was about 3 years ago.
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Post by panzermk2 » 02 Sep 2015, 21:05

They could have knocked it out of the park and cornered the market.
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Re: Two NEW firearm models chambered for 5.7x28mm by EXCEL A

Post by CPTKILLER » 24 Feb 2016, 07:24

These are not real common rifles or pistols. In some cases they are priced similar to AR's in 5.7X28mm but with a small magazine. Looking at Gunwatcher.com, there is nothing with major dealers.

Add to this, few if any user reports or range reports. I don't trust most gun writers to be objective.

For now, I am not at all interested. This is a shame in that they have missed a superb opportunity, especially with this group.

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Re: Two NEW firearm models chambered for 5.7x28mm by EXCEL A

Post by panzermk2 » 24 Feb 2016, 08:50

Yep.
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Re: Two NEW firearm models chambered for 5.7x28mm by EXCEL A

Post by Grocerius Maximus » 25 Feb 2016, 12:29

Seriously considering bandsawing mine up into little pieces with S/N legible and sending it to EA HQ.

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Re: Two NEW firearm models chambered for 5.7x28mm by EXCEL A

Post by panzermk2 » 26 Feb 2016, 08:34

LOL well you don't have to cut it up to send to us. If it's that band you can transfer it to me and I can destroy it.
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Re: Two NEW firearm models chambered for 5.7x28mm by EXCEL A

Post by Grocerius Maximus » 03 Mar 2016, 22:47

panzermk2 wrote:LOL well you don't have to cut it up to send to us. If it's that band you can transfer it to me and I can destroy it.
Hrmmm.......have a trade in mind?

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Re: Two NEW firearm models chambered for 5.7x28mm by EXCEL ARMS

Post by Litehiker » 14 Aug 2017, 13:18

I'd buy a pistol in .22 WMR if the barrel were, say, 5 or 6 inches. Eight inches for a .22 WRM pistol barrel is a bit too long for my taste. But the price is OK.

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