Gun Mounted Light w/ Laser - Review/Poll -updated 7.13.10

Discuss the FN Five-seveN line of pistols and accessories.

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Which light w/ laser do you prefer?

Surefire X400
37
21%
Streamlight TLR-2
53
30%
Insight M6X
9
5%
Viridian X5L
60
34%
Sig Sauer STL 900L
12
7%
Insight X2L
2
1%
Glock GTL 21
1
1%
 
Total votes: 174

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Re: Gun Mounted Light w/ Laser - Review/Poll -updated 7.13.

Post by n16ht5 » 28 Jan 2011, 00:36

I have a TLR2 and a insight procyon. both really angered me because neither will take protected rechargeable CR123 batts. what a joke. $350 in lights and they won't even fit a rechargeable battery? and to top it off, my $20 chineese deal extreme glove box flashlight is much brighter than both, and WILL fit rechargeable batts. so much for USA quality. the LAST streamlight I will ever buy. who wants to fork out tons of cash for batteries when I thought I was paying up front for a quality light to use rechargeables? :furious: :furious: :furious:

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Post by blueorison » 28 Jan 2011, 01:43

I have to mirror your insight, sir.

I play around in night matches, and have seen 2 Streamlights break on FsN's, including my personal copy, such that I resolved to send my Streamlight back to the factory. Another user has broken his Insight light, also.

Apparently the FsN has a stupendous ability to break mounted lights.

Have you ever shot in the dark with those lights? Did they last for you?
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Post by n16ht5 » 28 Jan 2011, 06:47

broke a streamlight switch, broke an insight battery door (epoxied it back together). so yes and yes.



still looking for a good quality light... what do you use now?

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Post by blueorison » 28 Jan 2011, 22:35

you don't even want to know.

It begins with cheapo and ends in China.

And continues to be very reliable. Yet much dimmer. But adequate.

I won 1st place last week at the night match with it with my EA tuned pistol.

In fact, my pistol is so awesome now, it doesn't even need the light.

I won first place shooting for a total of 20 seconds in the dark for 3 stages with no lights whatsoever, when my Streamlight broke at last month's match. My EA tuned pistol took all the targets out. I mean, I squeezed the trigger here and there, but that's pretty much it.
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Post by Outlaw54 » 29 Jan 2011, 08:29

Splendid Bauble wrote:
jgreenberg01 wrote:
srt-4_jon wrote:
bpasky wrote: I would take a rocker switch that is placed right in front of the trigger finger over a 3 button layout on the side of the light any day. When SHTF, you don't have time to tell the bad guy, "Hold on let me look at the side of the light here to which button i need to turn on, I can't see which one is the one I need because there is no light."
The 2 buttons on the rear activate the light (black for on/off, yellow for momentary). The side buttons are for light function (strobe on/off) and laser activation. Therefore, all you need is to press the button that is right in front of the trigger to turn it on. Also, it has a memory so if you turn it off when it is strobing, it is strobing when you turn it on again. Also, to make the sig light strobe is alot easier than the streamlight which requires either a really fast index finger or your left hand.
+1 to what both of you said.

I just received my Sig STL-900L today (I couldn't resist for $85). I'm used to using a TLR-1 so I had the same concern re: paddle vs. push-button. As far as I can tell, because the buttons that turn the light on/off face the trigger finger, they're just about as convenient as a paddle switch however... in that SHTF scenario, turning on the laser or toggling between strobe/solid beam using the buttons on the side is way less-than-intuitive.

Also, I have that secondary laser echo with the Sig and no amount of lens cleaning is making it go away. It's annoying but because it's so much smaller than the big laser dot... for the price, I still think it's a bargain (as long as it holds zero, which I'll report on when I shoot it next).

My TLR-1 is going on my AR57 with a pressure switch on the vertical grip, and as long as the STL-900L holds its zero on the FsN, that's where they will live for now.
Picked up the Sig STL-900L fairly recently. The "secondary laser echo" is there for me, but I didn't notice it once when shooting, so no actual issue there (at least for me).

Ran a couple hundred rounds through it (SS197, so nothing that powerful or exciting), had no problem with it holding zero. I did notice it changes the weight and balance of the gun significantly, FWIW (It felt fine or better shooting, but is certainly significantly heavier.)

Does anyone have any thoughts on potentially taking it apart and rewiring one of the rear buttons to turn on the laser as well? Unfortunately I'm in the middle of a move and haven't found my tiny screwdrivers yet to take a look inside it to see how difficult this might be, but seems like it would solve the only real potential problem with it: that the laser is a tiny button on the side next to other tiny buttons.
Let us know if you figure that one out. I love the Sigs, I got them for $80 each, the sell at my dealer for $285!!!
I agree a back button for the laser would have been better

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Re: Gun Mounted Light w/ Laser - Review/Poll -updated 7.13.

Post by ShockedNKansas » 14 Feb 2011, 08:37

I am very impressed with the look of the Viridian lasers. It looks like they were made for the FsN. I also noticed from the Viridian site that they are making a special glock version in olive color. Since I'm getting the dark earth FsN model, that doesn't help me much. Is there any chance someone on this fine forum would have a dark earth FsN married to a Viridian AND a camera handy??

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X5L 2nd Generation!

Post by ShockedNKansas » 14 Feb 2011, 10:21

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TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
BEAM INTENSITY/WAVELENGTH: 5mW peak, 532nm, Class IIIa, Continuous wave

LASER BEAM DIVERGENCE/SPOT SIZE/RANGE: 1.2 mrad, approx. 0.5" at 50 feet. Up to 100 yards daylight, 2 miles at night

DIMENSIONS/WEIGHT/CONSTRUCTION: 2.84"L x 1.37"H x 1.45" W, 3.3 oz. (including battery), primarily 6061 Aircraft Grade Aluminum, front and rear covers in high strength Zytel(R) polymer

USER ADJUSTABLE: Easy to use windage and elevation adjustments on laser

POWER SOURCE/BATTERY LIFE: 6+ hours of constant laser runtime, 10+ hours of pulsing laser runtime, 60 minutes of laser and light runtime. Unit runs on one CR123A 3v lithium (included).

TACTICAL LIGHT OUTPUT: 154 lumens on continuous, 187 lumens on strobe mode

ACTIVATION AND MODES: Ambidextrous activation and infinite amount of custom operating modes (user can customize laser pulse rate, tactical light strobe rate and light output).

UNIVERSAL MOUNTING SYSTEM: Modular rail set included with unit allows quick mounting to virtually all railed handguns and rifles




This baby is definitely more compact than the previous generation. Not quite as mean-looking IMO, but probably a lot more functional due to its size.

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Post by blueorison » 14 Feb 2011, 10:35

walmart sells spray paint.
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Post by ShockedNKansas » 14 Feb 2011, 13:49

blueorison wrote:walmart sells spray paint.
smarta$$ :thumb: :laugh:

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Re: Gun Mounted Lights w/ Laser

Post by flyingirish04 » 14 Feb 2011, 14:37

satellitedr3ams wrote:green messes up when its cold, like 40 or below it starts to loose power, just FYI. red aint dead.

My Viridian has operated at every temp here in Fargo. I shot it two weeks ago at -20, no problem. I even had it laying on the bench for about an hour before I turned it on and shot. Only green laser I have ever owned though.

I also have a surefire, and an Insight M6. Both work for the shooting I do. I would not take the Insight into the shite though, I wouldn't take the Viridian either most likely.
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Post by Nickf150fx4 » 17 Feb 2011, 21:40

Shockedkansas:

That Viridian x5l gen 2 is the first accessory I'm putting on my new five seven.
I've heard nothing but great review and the specs look great as well.

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Post by drinksabit » 18 Feb 2011, 10:57

Nickf150fx4 wrote:Shockedkansas:

That Viridian x5l gen 2 is the first accessory I'm putting on my new five seven.
I've heard nothing but great review and the specs look great as well.

Doesn't seem as if there are very many places to buy the gen 2 version.
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Post by Nickf150fx4 » 21 Feb 2011, 20:23

ya i'm still waiting for mine on to come in to my local dealer. I'll make sure to post pics and give a review when mine finally comes in.

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Re: X5L 2nd Generation

Post by fleshjunkie » 25 Feb 2011, 18:06

From Viridian's website :"The new X5L (Gen 2) will begin shipping in the 2nd quarter - Pre-order with your dealer today!"

From a chat with my local dealer, their quarters match up with calendar quarters (versus an off cycle fiscal quarter), so these bad boys should be hitting the streets in Mid-Late March/early April-ish. I'd imagine they will fly off the shelves like the compact C5L (was on a wait list for one of those until i saw the gen 2 x5l).

Unfortunately my dealer won't put in an order until they start shipping... man, i hate Cali... :wall:

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Post by Valorius » 13 Apr 2011, 09:31

I have a Viridian C5L on my HK P7. It is one hell of an awesome sighting system. The strobe light/solid laser beam mode especially would be a huge advantage in a low light fight. The 100 lumen strobe is totally disorienting, and the green beam gives an unmistakable and BRIGHT aiming cue. The unit is also very compact, with nicely located ambidextrous activation buttons. Two huge thumbs up from me.

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Post by Adjuster » 29 Apr 2011, 13:24

Wonder how hard it would be to devise a mount for this light/laser combo from Viridian on the PS90?

I'm thinking just forward of the front hand guard, mount a short weaver/Pict type rail into the stock, and use the two bolts there to secure it. (So it could be removed, and all you would have is a rail shaped hole in the the stock at most, or you could cut it down to be flush with the stock, and have no hole if you did not like the results.)

With a short rail there, any subcompact light/laser combo would mount up just forward of your support hand, so the existing tap buttons would work fine I'd think. The rail can be setup so the light/laser is flush/tight to the stock too, so no gaps. (Mine fit work on the light laser body would be possible, of if you get a unit that has remote pad ability, you could mount a flush switch on the stock so your right thumb could operate the pad(s).

I'm just thinking of ways to get a good built in laser for the PS90, but I'm not sure I like the one from AU.

Also I want a green laser, and not so much a serious light more than something that is not so bright it gives me away completely if used. (Momentary on for both light and laser independent of each other would be best.)

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Re: Gun Mounted Light w/ Laser - Review/Poll -updated 7.13.

Post by Adjuster » 02 May 2011, 22:28

Update: I have a Veridian CL5 on order, and a cheaper Barska Green laser.

The CL5 is for the FSN. But I'm going to see how it would possibly mount up on the PS90. (Had that apart today, and adding the rail is less of a hassle than I'd imagined.)

My idea is simple. (And simple is usually the best when it comes to weapons.)

The stock bolts together. There are two forward bolts just above the front hand guard. These bolts are just under the cast alloy "frame" that holds the barrel, optic and magazine base.

Using a Dado blade, router, or similar, you just need to cut a 1/2 inch gap down the center of the stock. You can do it by taking the stock into halves, and then router out the material 1/4 on both sides.

Now take a standard 1913 Pictatiny rail with no holes in it. Put the stock back together, and measure the width of the gap you just created. Measure where the bolts pass through the new open space there.

Now cut the rail so it's the same size as the material that's gone. (Tight fit is best I'd think, as plastic is somewhat flexible, and compresses too.)

Drill holes in the now cut rail. (Leave the part of the rail that's going to stick out full 1913 width of course, and with the normal cut profile, but the "narrow cut part is now "squared off.")

Check for fit, and get it right. Cut wide, and file to final fit is the plan.

Blue threadlock, and put it into place so the rail sticks out under the barrel/cast alloy part, and infront of the forward hand guard.

Clip on and tighten the light/laser combo of your choice. Operate with your weak hand thumb or index finger. (Most lights/lasers like this are ambidextrious, so no issue there.) Trim the plastic on the light/laser to fit how you want, or trim the PS90 to fit the light/laser as you see fit.

It does not make the platform wider. The weight of this unit is minimal. Battery changes are easy as any clip on setup. Replacement is as easy as it gets.

If it fails, you have all the back up/built in features of the PS90 and FSN.

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Re: Gun Mounted Light w/ Laser - Review/Poll -updated 7.13.

Post by Adjuster » 09 May 2011, 20:14

Got the laser/light in, and I'm impressed.

It's well made, and as in the photo above, nice and tidy but uses a 123 Lithium battery, so should have pretty good life in my experience. (And it is common with a few other lights/lasers I have, so easy to keep fresh spares that I need to carry.)

The green laser is bright, but not as easy to see in day light as I'd hoped. It is visable, but you need to know where to look in bright sunlight. Much better than red in well lit conditions indoors however.

At night, the green is nearly too bright. You really have to watch out, or you can quickly put your own night vision a notch or two down using this laser setup. The light is bright, not too bright however, so I'd say it's a good combination of size, and function.

So far, no issues at all.

Fits the FsN like it was built for it. There are three mounting options included, and I found the one that the unit came installed with fits the best on the FsN. You only use one screw to secure it, but once tight, it's not going anywhere. It can move slightly, but not so much that you lose zero using the pistol however. (And bumped, it returns to zero, but you can reef on it, and twist it out of alighment, but that's true of most plastic stuff, including the frame of the FsN.)

Have not found a holster I like with this unit on the FsN. I'd like a SERPA style, but not sure how the latch would work. The unit is wider than the trigger loop, and that's what the SERPA's lock onto.

I also got a much cheaper Barksa green laser, and it is every bit, if not slightly brighter laser than the Veridian. However, it's much larger, and the entire housing is alloy and brass. The rail mount is nice, and the unit becomes it's own new 1913 rail when you install it, so you could add a light I suppose under it, or on a carbine/rifle, a shorty forward handle would be excellent. (I'm looking at ways to integrate this Barska into my FS2K's stock front grip, and have the ability to mount other stuff to it if I want.)

I like the fact that the battery is a CR123 again, and loaded by unscrewing the laser unit, so you could leave the housing mounted to the weapon, and it should not change zero. (The front cap/laser bottems out on the housing, so it ends up in the same place every time you put it back on in theory.) I will test it out, and report back later.

On the idea for the PS90 rail... Well, looking it over, I want to keep it simple. :) KISS is important. A 1913 rail section with a round solid post on the end, drilled for the two bolts that hold the forward part of the stock in place seems like the best option.

Drill the hole so it bi-sects the two bolts, and then bolt the rail and stock together with the stock hardware for a very secure mount of small tactial lights/lasers just forward of the weak hand guard.

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Re: Gun Mounted Light w/ Laser - Review/Poll -updated 7.13.

Post by Hoss » 22 Jun 2011, 18:51

Optics Planet has Viridian new X5L 2nd Generation coming in this week. I put my name down for one when they come in. I am looking forward to putting this on my FN 57. I want a trial fit it on my DPMS LR-308.

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Re: Gun Mounted Light w/ Laser - Review/Poll -updated 7.13.

Post by Vafrum » 05 Jul 2011, 07:39

Viridian C5L

Its small and light.

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