Removing the mag "safety"?

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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

Post by gryphon » 12 Dec 2011, 23:47

I performed this mod to my new Five-seveN tonight. Thanks!

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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

Post by KaosOveride » 22 Mar 2012, 12:08

I also just performed this change to my FsN. I followed the guide and just moved the mag safety above the block opting not to remove it all the way.
I did notice that my magazine goes in easier, but seems to have some wobble or play at the bottom of it.. almost like it was not seated all the way.. Anyone else experience this

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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

Post by DrlSgt » 16 Nov 2012, 08:51

Just bought my new FiveseveN a couple days ago and LOVE IT! Came across this post on this forum. Performed the mod and POOF! Works like a charm! Thank you all!

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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

Post by DrlSgt » 16 Nov 2012, 12:42

KaosOveride wrote:I also just performed this change to my FsN. I followed the guide and just moved the mag safety above the block opting not to remove it all the way.
I did notice that my magazine goes in easier, but seems to have some wobble or play at the bottom of it.. almost like it was not seated all the way.. Anyone else experience this
Scared me because I JUST made this change to my new FiveseveN! So I went back and checked it out and I'm happy to report, that mine is a snug fit with no play when the mag is installed :) Hope your issue gets resolved with your FN...

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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

Post by Jeffbethandkidz » 02 Apr 2013, 00:52

Completely removed the pin from mine...anyone else done this with any problems? Buffman?

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Post by panzermk2 » 02 Apr 2013, 19:30

Jeffbethandkidz wrote:Completely removed the pin from mine...anyone else done this with any problems? Buffman?

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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

Post by Jeffbethandkidz » 04 Apr 2013, 16:29

I'm sorry, I ment the magazine safety bar. I completely removed mine instead of flexing it up like shown in this thread. i am wondering if anyone else has removed theirs and if they have experienced any negative side effects.

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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

Post by WarMachine » 05 Jun 2013, 06:12

Ok so I read through this whole thread on disabling the mag safety. I thought maybe performing the mod had some value, so I pulled out my brand new never fired 5.7 that cost me $1350.00 with tax. It was more difficult to get the bar away from the plastic to move it up than anticipated, but I finally got it. I reassembled the gun and yep the mag had a little more wobble at the bottom than it did before, not a big deal. The magazine must get tension from that bar when in the factory position causing the mag to "wedge" in. I did not notice any difference in the trigger pull as others had stated. Not sure why there would be a trigger pull difference since the magazine pushes the bar up taking tension off the trigger piece. I decided to move the bar back to the factory position because it is another safety feature that may save me from a bad mistake. What I did notice from this exersize was that I had no lube on the surfaces that make contact for that component. Overall observation was that this mod really only achieves disabling the mag safety and doesn't have any other benefits for ME. :ponder: :ponder: :D
ps. I really hope this gun and round performs like others have said because $1350. is a LOT for this mostly plastic gun :)

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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

Post by Rapier1772 » 05 Jun 2013, 15:27

Just to clarify, you disabled the mag safety by moving it instead of actually removing it?

I am not a gunsmith but IF that is the case, then I would suggest that is why you didn't feel any difference. But that's just my uneducated opinion :?:
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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

Post by WarMachine » 05 Jun 2013, 19:15

You are correct Rapier. I just moved the bar up like the instructions identified. Good point. if it was removed that may relieve some drag that is happening towards the front of the gun where the piece is pinned in. I just need to get out and shoot it before I get to carried away!!!

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Post by panzermk2 » 05 Jun 2013, 20:38

WarMachine wrote:Ok so I read through this whole thread on disabling the mag safety. I thought maybe performing the mod had some value, so I pulled out my brand new never fired 5.7 that cost me $1350.00 with tax. It was more difficult to get the bar away from the plastic to move it up than anticipated, but I finally got it. I reassembled the gun and yep the mag had a little more wobble at the bottom than it did before, not a big deal. The magazine must get tension from that bar when in the factory position causing the mag to "wedge" in. I did not notice any difference in the trigger pull as others had stated. Not sure why there would be a trigger pull difference since the magazine pushes the bar up taking tension off the trigger piece. I decided to move the bar back to the factory position because it is another safety feature that may save me from a bad mistake. What I did notice from this exersize was that I had no lube on the surfaces that make contact for that component. Overall observation was that this mod really only achieves disabling the mag safety and doesn't have any other benefits for ME. :ponder: :ponder: :D
ps. I really hope this gun and round performs like others have said because $1350. is a LOT for this mostly plastic gun :)

You might want to watch this video.

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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

Post by WarMachine » 06 Jun 2013, 03:52

OK that video confirmed the "mag tension" observation and he stated they are able to get a 3lbs trigger pull with the mag safety in place. What I don't get from the video is, why every gun he was handling had the mag safety disabled... http://www.fivesevenforum.com/posting.p ... =15&t=5972" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;#

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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

Post by panzermk2 » 06 Jun 2013, 12:28

WarMachine wrote:OK that video confirmed the "mag tension" observation and he stated they are able to get a 3lbs trigger pull with the mag safety in place. What I don't get from the video is, why every gun he was handling had the mag safety disabled... http://www.fivesevenforum.com/posting.p ... =15&t=5972" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;#
Because I think they are stupid. One of the number one reasons firearms fail in matches and on the street is the fact the that the magazine has not been seated all the way or the button has been bumped into. The mag may drop out but at least the gun will go bang one time instead of nothing happening will a BG kills you.

Magazine disconnects like that are a European thing and are very popular over there.
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Post by bobapunk » 06 Jun 2013, 13:19

Shooting any type of match is a royal pain in the rear end if your gun has a mag safety for 2 reasons: A- mag safeties rub on the mag and can cause the mag to NOT drop free. This creates wasted time striping the mag on reloads; and B- "If you are done, show clear. Gun is clear, hammer down and holster" is a ROYAL pain if you have to insert a mag, drop the hammer, eject mag, and then holster...
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Post by Rapier1772 » 06 Jun 2013, 13:57

bobapunk wrote:B- "If you are done, show clear. Gun is clear, hammer down and holster" is a ROYAL pain if you have to insert a mag, drop the hammer, eject mag, and then holster...
I wondered about this when I shot an IDPA match but since none of mine have one, I forgot to ask :laugh:
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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

Post by WarMachine » 07 Jun 2013, 09:55

Dah! So it was you in that video panzermk2 ... And you are owner/GS at Elite Ammo?

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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

Post by Rapier1772 » 07 Jun 2013, 10:07

WarMachine wrote:Dah! So it was you in that video panzermk2 ... And you are owner/GS at Elite Ammo?
Yup, he's the owner/vice-president.

(His wife is actual president of EA no matter who has what title officially) :D
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Post by bobapunk » 07 Jun 2013, 11:37

Rapier1772 wrote:
bobapunk wrote:B- "If you are done, show clear. Gun is clear, hammer down and holster" is a ROYAL pain if you have to insert a mag, drop the hammer, eject mag, and then holster...
I wondered about this when I shot an IDPA match but since none of mine have one, I forgot to ask :laugh:
Yeah, it can be done; but, the process is cumbersome and the whole squad will look at you funny...
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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

Post by Mister Freeze » 07 Jun 2013, 12:27

Shot a match with Blue and disabled that safety after the second stage. Been that way ever since. Tried it once before but thought that it made the trigger drag a litle, but I don't notice it now.

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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

Post by DoubleJ » 10 Jul 2013, 20:39

Couldn't you cut the very tip off that engages the transfer bar, there-by disabling the mag safety, but retaining the downward tension on the mag?

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Post by Bazzer69 » 10 Apr 2015, 20:15

I have a brand new 5.7 and I decided to remove the mag safety. Easy. But on the range today I discovered that I could not drop a empty mag with the slide back. The only way to reload was to release the slide, drop the empty mag, insert a new mag and finally manually cock the gun. As soon as I got home I put the spring back to the factory position. Am I the only one to experience this? Or did I do something wrong?
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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

Post by Rapier1772 » 10 Apr 2015, 21:04

I'm thinking you did something wrong. My mag safety was removed during accurizing from Elite Ammunition and while it is not ejected anymore (as it was with the factory mag safety installation), it is not restrained in any way. The mag falls free due to gravity as soon as I hit the release.

Did you just move it or actually remove it? Moving it may cause binding somewhere.
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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

Post by Bazzer69 » 11 Apr 2015, 08:21

Rapier1772 wrote:I'm thinking you did something wrong. My mag safety was removed during accurizing from Elite Ammunition and while it is not ejected anymore (as it was with the factory mag safety installation), it is not restrained in any way. The mag falls free due to gravity as soon as I hit the release.

Did you just move it or actually remove it? Moving it may cause binding somewhere.
I just moved it into the position shown in the photo at the start of the thread. I'll put it there again and post a picture.

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Post by Buffman » 11 Apr 2015, 10:22

Some of my mags were not drop free after removing the mag safety. The mag safety puts downward pressure on the mag. I re-enabled mine, and I believe EA has changed the way they remove the mag safety now.

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Post by panzermk2 » 11 Apr 2015, 18:59

Buffman wrote:Some of my mags were not drop free after removing the mag safety. The mag safety puts downward pressure on the mag. I re-enabled mine, and I believe EA has changed the way they remove the mag safety now.

Bingo for this exact reason.
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Post by Bazzer69 » 11 Apr 2015, 19:13

panzermk2 wrote:
Buffman wrote:Some of my mags were not drop free after removing the mag safety. The mag safety puts downward pressure on the mag. I re-enabled mine, and I believe EA has changed the way they remove the mag safety now.

Bingo for this exact reason.

You going to let us in on the secret? Please.

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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

Post by panzermk2 » 11 Apr 2015, 19:40

We retro fit that part your FsN during accurizing to that of the Tactical which did not have a magazine disconnect.
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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

Post by Bazzer69 » 11 Apr 2015, 19:45

panzermk2 wrote:We retro fit that part your FsN during accurizing to that of the Tactical which did not have a magazine disconnect.
I would love for you to accurize my 5.7, but I just can't afford it. But you will be hearing from me in a day or two ordering some reloading parts.
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Post by panzermk2 » 11 Apr 2015, 20:02

I understand, trust me, the outlay for our new in house brass has sucked up all the capital for new stuff including reloading stuff.
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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

Post by Scardog7 » 17 Jul 2015, 18:57

It's a simple fix.

The flat metal spring that blocks the trigger bar also acts as the mag release spring. It's the same piece that you moved up and out of the way. It needs to remain in its original location. But, just do one of two things, either, 1) remove it and shorten it by a small amount (approx 1/4" to 5/16") so that it no longer interferes with the trigger bar, or, 2) bend the tip up by a similar amount to clear the trigger bar. With the first option, you'll need to fully remove this piece.

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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

Post by Dangleesac215 » 31 Jan 2017, 23:28

Using the link that someone dropped " http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/show ... stcount=49" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; " and some other sources i figured out as im sure everyone did that that "tension bar" holds down the trigger function to engage the magazine safety. If you take off the slide and pull the 'tension bar' upward slightly you will be able to pull the trigger. So i slowly worked the "tension bar" up until it no longer held the trigger function down to the point the magazine safety is engaged. Have absoloutely no noticable. difference no loose magazine like stated about no different trigger pulls no anything. The only thing i have noticed if at all is when the magazine is out it seems like the hammer droped the tiniest bit lighter. Barely noticable and im sure if i got back and work the metal a bit more that would go away but it shoots fine and ive noticed no effects from that.
I wouldnt recomend following the directions in the link because thats altering the workings way too much in my opinion.
I honestly wouldnt recomend doing what i did either because i have no idea the actual effects although i really do not think there are any other effects aside from disengaging that drop safety.

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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

Post by panzermk2 » 01 Feb 2017, 14:08

Keep working the flat spring and your empty magazines will stop dropping out. That spring ejects them.
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Re: Removing the mag "safety"?

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