Sometimes it's difficult to know where to start when one is entering the learning curve. My intent with this thread is to provide a place to document some of the more useful websites (and other resources) out there that contain significant information related to the P90/Five-seveN/5.x7x28mm and/or produce products for this weapon system.
All of this information is FYI. Inclusion of a vendor or a product reference here does not constitute endorsement. Buyer beware. Use at your own risk. Make your own decisions. Don't blame me or anyone else for your decisions.
Exclusion doesn't necessarily mean bad things, It could mean that I didn't know about them, or I forgot to update this thread. Send me a PM or post in this thread and I'll make an update.
FNH USA's website has quite a bit of information. Most of it is marketing fluff, but there are some gems.
The main FN Herstal site has some slightly different information.
Likewise for the Herstal Group's site.
FN Manufacturing has basic information on many of the US-made products and services.
FNH USA's service center and parts department: 1-800-635-1321 (08:00-16:00 Central Time)
If you would like to:
* Place an order, or have questions concerning an order or have, Technical firearms issues please call +1 703 288 1292 x122
* Status of your firearm press 3
* Parts information, press 4
* Repeat instructions, press 9
Ring Sights manufacturers the HC-14-62 (white reticule) and MC-10-80 (black reticule) sight used on the P90 and PS90. They're the likely manufacturer of the relatively new sight with green reticule lit by fiber optics.
Laserex produced/produces the integral laser used in the P90. DenTrinity is one of the few sources for 5mW versions of the Laserex unit.
Laser Devices, Inc. produced (or at least prototyped) the lasers and lights that are seen in many of the early promotional photographs of the Five-seveN. There are many more options available these days.
Armorer's Manuals (including "exploded" diagrams) for the Five-seveN and P90/PS90 are available, but only if you take the Armorer's class from FN. Note that "Courses are specifically designed for the law enforcement armorer and are not open to the general public." NeoArms has produced aftermarket isometric diagrams of the PS90 and P90, but had some serious financial and personal difficulties [ See this thread for Tyler's last hurrah (and say thanks!) viewtopic.php?f=16&t=12816 ]
The FiveseveNForum is (of course) a great place to chat/discuss/rumor-monger all things 5.7x28mm.
There is a search function that is very helpful for finding topics that have ALREADY BEEN COVERED. SOMETIMES REPEATEDLY. AGAIN and AGAIN.
The Forum Wiki has some great content in it also. Contributors are vetted and known.
A fair amount of content from "before the crash" is available in the Forum Archive
D3lf has a great sharesite ( http://www.globalspot.net/p90/ )
The Wikipedia has some very useful/organized entries [but beware of content that can be edited by anyone and double-check or triple-check anything that you find.]
Gemtech did and does produce suppressors for the P90, the Five-seveN, and the AR57. Besides their thread-on suppressors, their quick-mount (SP-90, G5, M4-96D, HVT, and QUICKSAND) suppressors can be used with the P90 or SBR PS90 or AR57 with the proper adapter.
AAC is another option. They have a FsN-specific can. Besides their thread-on suppressors, their M4-2000 suppressors can be used with the P90 or SBR PS90 or AR57 with the proper adapter.
AWC also has a FsN-specific can, but doesn't appear to market it very hard.
The SWR Spectre is also appealing, and has many excellent reviews.
Elite Iron advertises a version of their Echo specced for the FiveseveN.
HunterTown's Kestrel is rated for up to .22 Hornet.
Just about any suppressor for the 5.56x45mm will work well on the SBRed PS90, although excessive weight is a consideration. Suppressors for larger calibers (such as 7.62x61mm or 9x19mm can also be used, but with some loss of efficiency.)
.22LR and .22WMR suppressors are NOT generally recommended, as they are generally not designed for the much higher pressures of the 5.7x28mm cartridge. There are a few (and the number is growing) exceptions such as SilencerCo's stainless steel Sparrow, Liberty's Kodiak, and the stainless steel Mite from YHM, Costal Gun's Hornet, Bowers' USS. In many cases, there is a version/variant of the suppressor line that can be used with 5.7x28. If you go this route, MAKE SURE that the SPECIFIC suppressor that YOU ARE USING is appropriately rated.
Going the other way, many 9mm suppressors are rated for and will work with the 5.7x28mm. The DeGroat Nano is one example.
Tip: SB193 works well from the SBR PS90 (or from the P90 for that matter) but is faster than sound from the standard PS90 barrel and won't consistently cycle the action of every Five-seveN. Elite Ammunition produces tailored subsonic loads that are specific to each of the common barrel lengths, and yield excellent results.
Reality check: Silencers/Suppressors/Mufflers (by whatever name) do make most guns quieter. If you're expecting a "pht" as heard in the movies, you will be disappointed. Having said that, Elite Ammunition produces special cartridges for shooting pellets with a large rifle primer (no powder.) Using these with a can will yield a very satisfying "pht."
P90 RENTALS (or just try, 'cause you can never buy...)
SGC ( http://www.scottsdalegunclub.com/ ) in Scottsdale, AZ. $65 + $30.00/25rds
American Shooters Supply ( http://www.americanshooters.com/ ) in Las Vegas, NV.
GunSite ( http://www.gunsite.com/courses/specialty.html ) Cost: $1850 Duration:2 Days
AFTERMARKET PARTS AND ACCESSORIES
Jarvis produces threaded barrels for the Five-seveN (thread protectors cost extra.)
EFK ( http://www.efkfiredragon.com/products.php?cat=1488 ) is also producing threaded barrels.
Tornado Tech ( http://www.tornado-technologies.com/services.html or http://www.tornado-technologies.com/ima ... _Seven.jpg ) will thread your factory FsN barrel for less and the thread protector is included.
CMMG ( http://www.cmmginc.com/ ) produced 10.3" (SBR) replacement barrels for the P90/PS90 Available twist rates are the original 1 in 9" and a faster 1 in 7"
They also supplied replacement flash hiders in either the original or GemTech bi-lock styles.
There is also a 1/2" 28TPI adapter available, and they have said that they are working on obtaining the new FS2000 style flash hider.
They have also produced 10-round extensions and springs for the FsN magazine.
They had announced side rails and a modular tri-rail system.
Recently announced a .22LR conversion for the PS90/P90 ( http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b ... 4&t=516260 )
Posted teaser pics of a prototype bottom-feeding AR conversion to 5.7x28
[CMMG appears to have made a business decision to abandon all things 5.7x28]
Magazine Parts ( http://www.magazineparts.com/ ) has absolutely blown any credibility they may have had. If you really want to know more, use google. This is an anti-endorsement so you'll know exactly who not to deal with.
Member MSW designed the MSW100 lowmount for mounting the ACOG as low as possible on the standard PS90. $25.00 which includes USPS Priority Mail delivery to the CONUS (yes, twenty-five dollars delivered.) Similar mounts exist, this is the original. email: MSW100@verizon.net for you order.
TDI Arms ( http://www.tdi-arms.com ) now known as CAA ( http://www.commandarms.com/ ) markets the TPR16 Side-by-Side Picatinny Rail System for the P90/PS90. Gunsmithing/drilling is required.
Tactical Innovations ( http://www.tacticalinc.com/ ) produces fake silencers threaded in 1/2x28 as well as the TAC16 .223 suppressor.
The Riddle of Steel ( http://www.trosusa.com/ ) produces 1/2" 28TPI muzzle nuts for the SBRed PS90 and adapters for the FiveseveN barrels.
MFI ( http://www.mfiap.com/ ) offers a mounting system for its fake suppressors that will work with the stock PS90.
The full-size Hogue Handall (R) grip sleeve [also available in OD] works with the FsNs. ( http://www.getgrip.com/main/overview/handall.html )
So do the large (model 1 or model 2) Pachmayr grip sleeves ( http://www.pachmayr.com/slip-on-grips.php )
For the do-it-your-selfer: Skateboard grip-tape or stair-step grip-tape from a hardware store has been used successfully by some on the forum to enhance the FsN grip. Wide all-purpose rubber bands may also work.
Another option for changes to the grip is to use spray-on truck-bed liner. Be sure to experiment (and PRACTICE) on something that you don't care about first.
Bullet Forge ( http://www.bulletforge.com/ ) produces silver-plated and solid silver bullets, for all of you werewolf hunters. Keychain ornaments and jewelry can also be created by them.
P90/PS90-SBR Flash Hiders
Gemtech ( http://www.gem-tech.com/store/pc/5-56MM ... 15p119.htm )
AAC ( http://www.advanced-armament.com/produc ... 87#pid=702 )
Vltor ( http://www.vltorstore.com/vc-p90/ )
CMMG produced replicas of the original P90 flash hiders. These can sometimes be found.
The Riddle of Steel ( http://www.trousa.com/ ) produces thread adapters for the P90/PS90/FsN so that more commonly available devices can be attached.
Chamber reamers are available from
* Coyote Guns in Indiana. ( http://www.coyoteguns.com/ )
* Clymer ( http://clymertool.com/ )
* Dave Manson ( http://www.mansonreamers.com/ )
* Lothar Walther in Germany ( http://www.lothar-walther.de/460.php )
* Pacific Tool and Gauge ( http://www.pacifictoolandgauge.com/prod ... hamber.htm )
* JSG ( http://www.jgstools.com/mainarea.html )
* 4D Products [rentals] ( http://www.4-dproducts.com/ )
* Elk Ridge [rentals] ( http://www.reamerrentals.com/ )
FN has been rumored to have bolt guns in 5.7x28mm in the works for years now. Delayed multiple times, maybe we'll see them in late
Savage ( http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/25+LVT ) looks like they'll have at least two bolt guns in 5.7x28mm. [Savage appears to have had issues with the model 25 and this cartridge and no guns have been shipped.]
Excel Arms ( http://www.excelarms.com/newproducts.html ) recently announced four new firearms in 5.7x28mm. We'll be watching these closely, so look for more info 1Q2011.
Rhineland Arms designed an AR-upper that accepts the P(S)90 magazines. Now marketed by http://www.57center.com/
ATI is rumored to have a similar AR-upper design, but this does not appear to have come to fruition.
CMMG is working on a more traditional AR-upper that feeds from the bottom. It's in the early stages of development, so more to come... [See above regarding CMMG abandoning all things 5.7x28]
Barrels have been produced for the Thompson/Center Contender. (See Coyote, MGM, and also by the T/C custom shop.)
Shilen Match Grade Barrels as well as bolts have been produced for the Remington 700 (See Midway: http://www.midwayusa.com/ )
There are now aftermarket PS90/P90 magazines being produced by several companies. Quality varies, but prices on FN magazines have dropped substantially in response.
Pro Mag ( http://www.promagindustries.com/SearchR ... asp?Cat=91 ) is now offering aftermarket magazines for the FiveseveN.
CMMG (mentioned elsewhere) also produced +10 round extenders for the FiveseveN
Several different manufacturers have produced conversion plates for 30 round PS90 magazines, to bring them up to full capacity. Any of them should work well enough, although some sellers seem to think that ABS is pricier than silver or gold. A hacksaw works as well.
Is currently produced in bulk by FN ( http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/ammo.asp ) and Fiocci ( http://www.fiocchiusa.com/ )
Elite Ammunition ( http://www.eliteammunition.com/ ) has products that offer significant performance improvements over every comparable factory offering. They also offer products that the factory does not.
Dies are available from C-H, Hornady, Lee, Lyman, RCBS, and Redding.
Besides the list below, check out THIS THREAD...
Blackhawk ( http://www.blackhawk.com/ ) produces several variations on their Serpa holster for the FiveseveN.
Sidearmor ( http://www.sidearmor.com/ ) produces a modular OWB holster for the FsN USG.
Blade-Tech ( http://www.blade-tech.com/ ) produces a number of different styles of kydex holster for the IOM and USG. Mag carriers are also available.
C. Rusty Sherrick ( http://www.c-rusty.com/ ) produces a number of different styles of leather holster for the IOM and USG. Mag carriers are also available.
DeSantis ( http://www.desantisholster.com/storefro ... tg_id=1022) produces a couple of leather holsters for the IOM, and they also list magazine pouches.
Gould & Goodrich ( http://www.gouldusa.com/ ) produce(d) duty holsters for the FsN tactical/DAO models.
C&S Weapons Accessories ( http://www.candsweapons.com/ ) has a couple of different styles of holster for the FsN and is rumored to have a _clear_ set of products in the works. Mag carriers are also available.
Don Hume ( http://www.donhume.com/ ) produced several holsters for the FsN, When searching by weapon, select "Herstal 5.7" or "Herstal USG Model".
Fobus ( http://www.fobusholster.com/ ) produces light weight and high tech belt and paddle holsters for the FsN.
Galco Gunleather ( http://www.usgalco.com/ ) has a few holsters for the USG. Mag carriers are also available.
Some have made from scratch or modified other "will fit" holsters. Take all possible caution (and assume any/all risks) with this approach, but it can be done.
CARBINE/PDW MAGAZINE POUCHES
Flecktarn ( http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/ )
Blackhawk ( http://www.blackhawk.com/ )
Most/all Airsoft P90 magazine pouches will fit. You probably get what you pay for, though.
FN Factory Sling ( )
Blackhawk ( http://www.blackhawk.com/product_det...duct_id=2764&d= )
Urban ERT ( http://www.uertslings.com/index1.html )
Shooting Systems AKA Elite Survival Systems ( http://www.shootingsystems.com/ ) makes some very nice "assault" and "discrete" bags for the P90/PS90 and pistols.
Ace ( http://acecase.com/fn-ps-90-carrying-case.html ) has one.
Bulldog ( http://www.bulldogcases.com/ ) also has products in this space.
Pelican has a variant of the 1600 for the P90/SBR ( http://www.casesbypelican.com/military/p90.htm )
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Elite Ammunition ( http://www.eliteammunition.com/ ) has some very nice combat sights.
Tooltech is another option: ( http://tooltechgunsight.com/ )
Elite Ammunition ( http://www.eliteammunition.com/ ) also offers a full accurizing work-over, including trigger job.
HDPS ( http://www.hdps.org/ ) has a clean PS90 barrel removal process. They also perform ATFE compliant engraving, and will dye your stock.
Tornado Technologies ( http://www.tornado-technologies.com/ ) also offers barrel shortening services.
Gemtech ( http://www.gem-tech.com/store/pc/viewco ... dpage=7#70 ) will also cut and thread a PS90 barrel
I've collected some gunsmithing tips and howtos on WikiHow ( http://www.wikihow.com/Gunsmith-the-FN-P90/PS90 )
For build-it-yourself types, reamers are available from Clymer ( http://www.clymertool.com/ )
4D Reamer Rentals ( http://www.4-dproducts.com/ ) now stocks the 5.7x28mm reamer.
P90/PS90 barrel change requires some special tools.
19mm open-end wrench
Dimension "D" (Head Depth) needs to be 5.5mm or less.
15mm open-end wrench (preferably a crowfoot, so that a torque wrench can be used.)
Dimension "E" (Head Depth) needs to be 5.5mm or less, along the entire length of dimension "D"
Forum member, hoover1, occasionally has either/both items for sale at a nominal cost (see the classifieds section of the board.)
PLACES TO BUY
Tanner's ( http://www.tannerssportcenter.com/ ) has great service, phenomenal prices, and a steady supply of FNH products.
A&A Arsenal ( http://www.aaarsenal.com/ ) also has great prices and service, and has web-based shopping.
Impact ( http://www.impactguns.com/ ) has a nice website. Beware that they "sometimes" show items as in stock when they are not.
FNH USA hosts a virtual gallery of Dick Kramer's artwork: http://www.fnhusa.com/contents/kramer_gallery.htm
Dick Kramer also has his own site: http://www.dickkramer.com/
Robert Burrows work is also appealing: http://www.rbgungraphics.com/
What the P90 might have been...
CMMG's P90 .22LR Conversion
This is just a start. I'll try to keep this post reasonably up-to date as others PM me or post their own findings and recommendations. I'll say it again: None of the above should be construed as an endorsement for a particular product, or service, or vendor, or technique. Use your head, and check your facts.
DELETIA - Things get out of date. This is where they'll wind up.