Why is the FiveseveN so much more expensive...

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Why is the FiveseveN so much more expensive...

Post by Dozam » 25 Oct 2016, 16:17

Why is the FiveseveN so much more expensive than FN's other models?

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Post by Buffman » 25 Oct 2016, 16:34

1. Only pistol of it's kind 2. It's FN

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Post by DoubleJ » 25 Oct 2016, 17:47

Yup, they've got the market cornered. I'm really surprised that ammo has stayed so reasonable for so long, as long as you by it from PSA that is.

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Post by Dozam » 25 Oct 2016, 19:50

So I'm hearing, "just cuz"...

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Post by PursuitSS » 26 Oct 2016, 06:08

My .02

They are charging what the market will bear. I foresee the price continuing to slowly raise until sales slow.

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Post by panzermk2 » 26 Oct 2016, 06:12

Part of the reason is demand. About 80% of all FsN pistols go to government contracts around the world. Contrary to internet commandos the FsN is used extensively around the world and is in high demand.

FsN's sold for pubic consumption are ran in between contract runs to keep the assembly lines going.

Due to this there is a very limited number of them, all the major distributors have not seen a FsN in 6 plus months.

This means FNH does not have to drop the price, distributors once they get them no way in hell have to drop the price etc.

In fact currently FNH is about to release a handful of FsN pistols. To be able to buy an FsN you have to buy a FN 45 tactical with every single FsN you want to buy.

So not only do they have no motivation to drop the price, they are forcing gun shops to buy crap they don't want to just be able to buy them.
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Post by Buffman » 26 Oct 2016, 19:37

^^ Bingo :D

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Post by Dozam » 28 Oct 2016, 02:13

...great, artificial scarcity...

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Post by Buffman » 28 Oct 2016, 06:25

Dozam wrote:...great, artificial scarcity...
There's really only 1-2 other "pistols" that are chambered in 5.7 and they are a far cry from the package of FN's Five-seven. And to be fair their FNx-45 tactical costs just as much

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Post by NLVMike » 30 Oct 2016, 14:57

I could still sell just about every one I could get my hands on at list price. Everyone that shoots mine wants one, and the price doesn't seem to deter them, just the lack of any in the stores.

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Post by panzermk2 » 31 Oct 2016, 05:07

Well they will have competition very soon. A major firearms manufacture that everyone on this forum has heard of is finalizing their 5.7 mil spec pistol.

It will use FsN magazines and be a polymer/metal hybrid.

There will be 2 versions, 1 striker and the other hammer.


At a minimum this will force FNH to drop their prices and bump up their delivery of them.

Also this new pistols target price is 600 bucks.
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Post by CPTKILLER » 31 Oct 2016, 05:58

The price definitely hurts FiveSeveN sales. There is good interest but most back off looking at the cost.

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Post by panzermk2 » 01 Nov 2016, 06:41

CPTKILLER wrote:The price definitely hurts FiveSeveN sales. There is good interest but most back off looking at the cost.

Agreed and this paves the way for another firearm manufacture to step in and in this case unlike Excel Arms this is a heavy hitter.
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Post by PursuitSS » 01 Nov 2016, 07:03

panzermk2 wrote:Well they will have competition very soon. A major firearms manufacture that everyone on this forum has heard of is finalizing their 5.7 mil spec pistol.

It will use FsN magazines and be a polymer/metal hybrid.

There will be 2 versions, 1 striker and the other hammer.


At a minimum this will force FNH to drop their prices and bump up their delivery of them.

Also this new pistols target price is 600 bucks.
Kel-Tec ???

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Post by panzermk2 » 01 Nov 2016, 07:36

LOL <profanity> no a real company.
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Post by GONRA » 01 Nov 2016, 13:35

GONRA hopes its LOCKED BREECH!
Much safer for all you +P+ Red Blooded American Handloaders out there....

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Post by panzermk2 » 01 Nov 2016, 14:37

Not really, they tried a locked breach with the BOZ round and it shattered frames and slides after a few shots all the while not having enough residual power to cycle the slide.

There is a reason why they are blow back.

Also one of the biggest hurdles the manufacture is fighting with. Their system will be new and patented.
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Post by Dozam » 01 Nov 2016, 22:32

Yeah the price is prohibitive, especially for me; I'm a disabled veteran unable to work..and was eyeing the FiveseveN, as shooting it doesn't aggravate pain in my arms and wrist (carpel tunnel, among other things), like even a 9mm will...but being on a set income makes that very difficult...

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Post by BadMrFrosty » 02 Nov 2016, 06:44

Jay do you know if it's going to be a full size or option for compact?

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Post by panzermk2 » 02 Nov 2016, 10:10

Full, the 5.7 just won't work in anything shorter than 4, and by that I mean ballisticaly.
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Post by spyderco monkey » 04 Nov 2016, 00:39

panzermk2 wrote:Full, the 5.7 just won't work in anything shorter than 4, and by that I mean ballisticaly.
Do you think we'll be seeing this at SHOT this year, or is it still a ways out?

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Post by panzermk2 » 07 Nov 2016, 09:58

I don't know.

Originally it was to have a alloy frame. Changing that to poly delayed everything.
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Post by Dozam » 07 Nov 2016, 17:29

So, what is the gun everyone is beating around the bush about?

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Post by Geoman » 07 Nov 2016, 19:50

Wow? Is Taurus building a FsN twin? Cool!

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Post by panzermk2 » 08 Nov 2016, 10:04

I can't say yet. Thankfully I can say it is NOT Taurus.
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Post by jgreenberg01 » 08 Nov 2016, 11:23

panzermk2 wrote:I can't say yet. Thankfully I can say it is NOT Taurus.
So then Kel-Tec is rigging the PMR-30 to shoot 5.7x28? :D
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Post by blueorison » 08 Nov 2016, 11:55

Oh man... Taurus.. would definitely not even consider it. Might as well be a new production Sig.... useless.
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Post by panzermk2 » 08 Nov 2016, 23:00

No Kel Tec and and no Taurus.
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Post by CPTKILLER » 09 Nov 2016, 07:43

I don't go for any junk firearm.

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Post by panzermk2 » 09 Nov 2016, 11:02

CPTKILLER wrote:I don't go for any junk firearm.

Soon it will be announced and it's one of the big ones.
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Post by shopsmart » 17 Dec 2016, 19:21

People have joked that glock would do it. Would be funny it happened. Doubt this company though.

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Post by AvatarOfWar » 10 Jan 2017, 12:47

Jay, will this be announced at Shot Show next week?

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Post by panzermk2 » 11 Jan 2017, 05:24

Good question I just emailed the owner of the company.
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Post by panzermk2 » 11 Jan 2017, 12:30

No they are waiting on patents to be sown up.
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Post by AvatarOfWar » 11 Jan 2017, 12:44

That's a disappointment, but it makes sense.

As to the speculation above that it's Glock - not likely, since Jay said they will be offering both hammer and striker fired options. Additionally, he said earlier that they would be reusing FsN magazines - this would [likely] exclude major manufacturers who do their own magazine design, like Glock, Sig Sauer, HK, Smith & Wesson, etc. Jay has already [mercifully] ruled out Kel Tec & Taurus. Also, it looks like it'd be the kind of size of manufacturer who's 'owner' would be reachable directly by Jay - this would likely exclude large corporate cultures like Sturm, Ruger & Co. and the aforementioned mainstream manufacturers. Not many left on that plate who are likely to re-use other manufacturers magazines - maybe something like Kriss (who reuses Glock mags in many of their products).

Speculation! :)

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Post by panzermk2 » 11 Jan 2017, 20:05

Kinda insulted. I actaully talk to and know many folks in the larger companies. There are many FsN fans out there who just happen to work at other gun companies.
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Post by AvatarOfWar » 11 Jan 2017, 20:57

Nah, no insult or judgment intended - and FWIW I certainly respect you (and let my money do the talking as I submitted an ~$500 order from your company back on Jan 2). You said you sent the 'owner' a message - most of the large companies do not have a singular owner you can reach out to - that's the title structure for a smaller, private company (so I was only making a fair inference, not a proclamation on your standing with firearms companies).

That said, I'd certainly be thrilled if any of the companies I excluded in my wild speculation turned out to be investing in the 5.7 platform; it just seems less likely given the criteria you have provided so far. In my prior guess of Kriss as a possible candidate, I think EAA and some of the Century Arms imports (like Grand Power) might also fit within the criteria of a polymer striker or hammer fired 5.7 pistol that re-uses FsN mags and comes in around the $600 range! :)

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Post by panzermk2 » 12 Jan 2017, 11:30

EAA, tough one unless Tanfoglio made it.

CAI They can at times fall back into their bad habit of "pissed off drunk monkeys" assemblers.

Using the term owners was wrong. Tommy Thacker used to be FNH product manager for the FsN and is now running Armalite, very well I might add, I have him on speed dial still.

Beretta still has owners..........
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Post by Toaster » 13 Jan 2017, 22:00

Well then give him a call and tell him to quit holding out on us with all those AR-10 Mag Catches!!!

He is the only one that makes them to the required spec, (Longer threaded rod, larger mag catch tab)

about to design my own !!! :)

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Post by Kilibreaux » 15 Jan 2017, 01:26

Buffman wrote:1. Only pistol of it's kind 2. It's FN
Glock is also the "only pistol of it's kind"...and it's MOSTLY made of traditional steel.

The FsN is expensive because we'll PAY IT!

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Post by PursuitSS » 15 Jan 2017, 21:14

Kilibreaux wrote:
Buffman wrote:1. Only pistol of it's kind 2. It's FN
Glock is also the "only pistol of it's kind"...and it's MOSTLY made of traditional steel.

The FsN is expensive because we'll PAY IT!
The frame is by far mostly polymer except for the rails molded into the polymer.

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Post by PursuitSS » 26 Jan 2017, 21:48

There was a "rumor" at Shot Show 2017 that Sig is bringing a 5.7x28 to market soon.

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Post by AvatarOfWar » 27 Jan 2017, 06:42

PursuitSS wrote:There was a "rumor" at Shot Show 2017 that Sig is bringing a 5.7x28 to market soon.

It would be cool, as I"m a Sigaholic, but seems unlikely it's the one Jay is talking about coming to market. Sig isn't likely to use FN's magazines and they have already released the glossy final print 2017 product catalog (which did include the new P220 Legion).

I wish it was Sig who was going to offer the new 5.7 handgun; just doesn't seem likely. :/

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Post by blueorison » 27 Jan 2017, 16:56

I would be glad if it weren't Sig who brings it to market. Their old German guns were great, but all this new American (sadly) crap is unreliable as hell across the board (source: personal experience with multiple new and used Sigs in the past 6 years). Their 9mm's are the only gun that are somewhat reliable, until you get some sand in them and they fail (source: MAC's test of the overpriced Legion).

With the lower quality AE ammo, I wouldn't want a less reliable mfg to make a less reliable firearm... that would be disastrous.

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