Bad SS197 ammo

Taser4 You · Post by **Taser4 You** » 28 Feb 2015, 00:56

Has anyone had problems with SS197 ammo functioning properly in their FiveSeven pistol? I have approx. 700 rds that I purchased ($30+box) that appear to be 'short Loaded'. They cause the pistol slide to short cycle which does not allow the spent casing to eject. My 'old' SS195LF and new Federal American Eagle 40g perform flawlessly. I have been getting the run around from FN "customer Care". Pistol has already gone back to FN and was given the all clear. FN claims ammo was loaded by Federal. Federal did not load this ammo it was actually loaded in the U.S by Fiocchi. Fiocchi referred me back to FN. Was wondering if any of you might have heard of this problem and would strongly caution buying FN labeled ammo which was loaded by Fiocchi (it will say who loaded it in small print on bottom of cartridge box)

BadMrFrosty · Post by **BadMrFrosty** » 28 Feb 2015, 06:15

I have only had problems with AE TMJ rounds cycling. Check the date stamp on the SS197SR at the primer.

PursuitSS · Post by **PursuitSS** » 28 Feb 2015, 06:44

I've had issues with light loaded SS197LF.

I had 4 rounds that wouldn't cycle my PS90.

I don't trust ANYTHING loaded by Fiocchi.

grimmond · Post by **grimmond** » 28 Feb 2015, 10:03

Are all of you SS197 boxes from the same batch? Also do you have the equipment to pull a few down and scale the charge?

GONRA · Post by **GONRA** » 28 Feb 2015, 14:07

GONRA HOPES you purchased this from a commercial distributor and not from "secondary sources".
Buying ammo, powder, primers from anyone but a commercial distributor
is taking a BIG chance on lousy (hot, humid) storage with attendant bad shootin'....
Let us no...

PursuitSS · Post by **PursuitSS** » 28 Feb 2015, 14:14

GONRA wrote:GONRA HOPES you purchased this from a commercial distributor and not from "secondary sources".
Buying ammo, powder, primers from anyone but a commercial distributor
is taking a BIG chance on lousy (hot, humid) storage with attendant bad shootin'....
Let us no...

It came from Cabella's, simply it's typical Fiocchi ammo.

PainKillaX · Post by **PainKillaX** » 28 Feb 2015, 14:45

I've never had a problem with any 5.7x28 at all. And never had a problem with any Fiocchi across a lot of calibers.

Post by **panzermk2** » 28 Feb 2015, 15:00

There was a run of SS197 about 2 years ago that was total <profanity>. We had a list of bad lot numbers posted at one time and FNH was replacing it.

Cabella's buys in such large amounts this could be some of that ammo finally being pulled form the back of the warehouse.

What are the lot numbers?

DoubleJ · Post by **DoubleJ** » 28 Feb 2015, 16:01

Could be a dirty chamber, too. Get in there with a Qtip and some carb cleaner, see what comes out.

Taser4 You · Post by **Taser4 You** » 28 Feb 2015, 18:42

This ammo was purchased at a large firearms dealer (Vances Outdoors,Ohio). Don't think storage was a problem. Interested in any of the bad lot numbers you may have heard of. My lot # is 0520369151 (of the boxes I have opened, didn't want to be accused of tampering with them and unable to swap). Anyone have any suggestions on who to talk with at FN? The lady I keep getting who is the 'head of customer service' definitely does not represent the company well at all. I'm half tempted to contact FN's Belgium office and see if they will help. I don't think it is a firearm issue at all...I took the usual steps (inspecting, cleaning, cleaning again and even sent it to FNH USA and it all checked out. Definitely seems to be 'short loaded' ammo.
Thanks for the help

DoubleJ · Post by **DoubleJ** » 01 Mar 2015, 08:15

Regular cleaning wont get lacquer out of your chamber.

Do you have a shooting buddy with a chronograph? Put a couple through the screens and see where they come up.

Pulling a couple down and measuring the charge might help, but no one knows what powder is in there, so no one knows what the charge should be. 197 is pretty wimpy to begin with, could be that a couple grains low would impede function, where that same weight of another powder would work just fine.

grimmond · Post by **grimmond** » 01 Mar 2015, 09:08

Almost all of SS197 should have around 5.5-5.6gr of powder. I have pulled 1 bullet out of every lot that I get. The lead free with the black primer avg around the 5.4gr mark and was the slowest velocity wise.

PursuitSS · Post by **PursuitSS** » 01 Mar 2015, 09:20

On my PS90, (and now on my 5.7) I clean the chamber with a 9mm bronze brush and Carburetor Cleaner.

Pure and simple Fiocchi has ZERO QA / QC.

There are several threads running on AR15.com on over pressure issues on Fiocchi .300 Blackout.

I only purchase SS198 now, it's not loaded by Fiocchi. I plan on grabbing some Elite S4M if they ever get it back in stock.

grimmond · Post by **grimmond** » 01 Mar 2015, 09:53

If you reload, pull them all and reload the cases with something better. I rarely shoot any SS197 anymore. If you don't reload maybe there is a forum member near you or friend that does that would be willing to help you fix them. If you lived in the Western part of Washington I could help. :thumb:

DoubleJ · Post by **DoubleJ** » 01 Mar 2015, 10:16

PursuitSS wrote: Pure and simple Fiocchi has ZERO QA / QC.

I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with that.

Referencing BARFCOMM as your source doesn't help your case either.

Oldbindlestiff · Post by **Oldbindlestiff** » 01 Mar 2015, 11:50

PursuitSS wrote: "There are several threads running on AR15.com on over pressure issues on Fiocchi .300 Blackout."

I wonder if that has more to do with chamber variations than QA/QC issues?

DoubleJ · Post by **DoubleJ** » 01 Mar 2015, 13:45

I'm curious as well, how many of those people have had a chamber cast or slugged a bore? The whole idea behind 300blk is a cheap conversion. I spend a bit of time on 300bktalk and a common thread is "cheapest barrel" or "cheapest upper". I've run a bit of Fiocchi in 9mm, 300blk, 223, and plenty of factory 5.7 without so much as a hiccup. I don't doubt there was a bad lot, happens to everyone, but can't condemn the whole product line.

PursuitSS · Post by **PursuitSS** » 01 Mar 2015, 14:56

Correct me if I'm wrong...

But didn't Jay (Elite Ammunition) weigh a bunch of SS197 powder charges and found them all over the place.

PursuitSS · Post by **PursuitSS** » 01 Mar 2015, 14:59

DoubleJ wrote:
PursuitSS wrote: Pure and simple Fiocchi has ZERO QA / QC.
I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with that.

Referencing BARFCOMM as your source doesn't help your case either.

Over the last four decades I've fired tens of thousands of rounds (quite a bit of it on full auto) the ONLY bad ammo I've EVER encountered was manufactured by Fiocchi.

I stand by my comment and there is no way in hell I'd take Fiocchi into harms way!!!

As too your comments on ARFCOM, it's the same as any other forum. There are idiots AND experts on most forums, Pat Rogers posts quite a bit on ARFCOM, if he doesn't know AR-15's I don't know who does!

ewetstone · Post by **ewetstone** » 01 Mar 2015, 16:15

PursuitSS wrote:
DoubleJ wrote:
PursuitSS wrote: Pure and simple Fiocchi has ZERO QA / QC.
I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with that.

Referencing BARFCOMM as your source doesn't help your case either.
Over the last four decades I've fired tens of thousands of rounds (quite a bit of it on full auto) the ONLY bad ammo I've EVER encountered was manufactured by Fiocchi.

I stand by my comment and there is no way in hell I'd take Fiocchi into harms way!!!

As too your comments on ARFCOM, it's the same as any other forum. There are idiots AND experts on most forums, Pat Rogers posts quite a bit on ARFCOM, if he doesn't know AR-15's I don't know who does!

How would you rate other Fiocchi ammo such as some of their 9mm?

PursuitSS · Post by **PursuitSS** » 01 Mar 2015, 16:24

ewetstone wrote:
PursuitSS wrote:
DoubleJ wrote:
PursuitSS wrote: Pure and simple Fiocchi has ZERO QA / QC.
I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with that.

Referencing BARFCOMM as your source doesn't help your case either.
Over the last four decades I've fired tens of thousands of rounds (quite a bit of it on full auto) the ONLY bad ammo I've EVER encountered was manufactured by Fiocchi.

I stand by my comment and there is no way in hell I'd take Fiocchi into harms way!!!

As too your comments on ARFCOM, it's the same as any other forum. There are idiots AND experts on most forums, Pat Rogers posts quite a bit on ARFCOM, if he doesn't know AR-15's I don't know who does!
How would you rate other Fiocchi ammo such as some of their 9mm?

Never have tried it...NEVER will.

Fool me once...

Post by **panzermk2** » 01 Mar 2015, 20:18

PursuitSS wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong...

But didn't Jay (Elite Ammunition) weigh a bunch of SS197 powder charges and found them all over the place.

Yes all over the place right along with all the different powders. At first I collected the the information from a purely data catalog point.

It just became to much and for no real gain. Collecting the data told me what I already knew, if they gathered enough sweepings off the powder room floor they would use it to load 197.

Post by **panzermk2** » 01 Mar 2015, 20:18

ewetstone wrote:
PursuitSS wrote:
DoubleJ wrote:
PursuitSS wrote: Pure and simple Fiocchi has ZERO QA / QC.
I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with that.

Referencing BARFCOMM as your source doesn't help your case either.
Over the last four decades I've fired tens of thousands of rounds (quite a bit of it on full auto) the ONLY bad ammo I've EVER encountered was manufactured by Fiocchi.

I stand by my comment and there is no way in hell I'd take Fiocchi into harms way!!!

As too your comments on ARFCOM, it's the same as any other forum. There are idiots AND experts on most forums, Pat Rogers posts quite a bit on ARFCOM, if he doesn't know AR-15's I don't know who does!

How would you rate other Fiocchi ammo such as some of their 9mm?

S&B and steal cased wolf is better.

Post by **blueorison** » 02 Mar 2015, 16:52

LOL

You want to know something hilarious;

Steel cased Wolf is some of the most accurate 9mm ammo I've ever shot.

I seriously can't believe it, to this day.

PainKillaX · Post by **PainKillaX** » 02 Mar 2015, 23:45

blueorison wrote:LOL

You want to know something hilarious;

Steel cased Wolf is some of the most accurate 9mm ammo I've ever shot.

I seriously can't believe it, to this day.

I'm a big fan of steel and aluminum cased ammunition after my last outing. I was shooting better with steel Tula than the brass stuff I had brought with.

You want to shoot bad ammo? Go buy Brass Maxx, 9mm made in Bosnia and imported by Tula. I shot less than half of the 100 round tub and had almost a dozen failures to return to battery, including one that locked up my slide...

Post by **panzermk2** » 02 Mar 2015, 23:54

Nothing wrong with Wolf. some of the best 7.62x54r ever.

bruteandbear1 · Post by **bruteandbear1** » 03 Mar 2015, 08:57

panzermk2 wrote:Nothing wrong with Wolf. some of the best 7.62x54r ever.

Shot these out of a PKM and had zero failures and very accurate.

CPTKILLER · Post by **CPTKILLER** » 06 Mar 2015, 12:58

Often with factory ammo in Austin, Texas, I am limited with what I can find.

DoubleJ · Post by **DoubleJ** » 06 Mar 2015, 13:14

Some of that steel case stuff also has a bi-metal jacket, which means steel, and burns up barrels pretty quickly. I'm ok with it in 7.62 x whatever, but dont run it through anything else.

Ive not fired hundreds of thousands of rounds of fiocchi, but I can't recall ever having an issue with it, so it's still good in my book, all calibers.

Post by **blueorison** » 06 Mar 2015, 16:13

CPTKILLER wrote:Often with factory ammo in Austin, Texas, I am limited with what I can find.

I'm in Austin, TX.

If you need plinking/practice 5.7x28mm, I have AE I'd sell you for what I bought it, if you need.

I paid $20 per box, you don't have to worry about shipping costs.

Only if you're a nice guy and not some weirdo :laugh:

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