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Yep launched at SHOT 2020. I had multiple contacts promise up and down Speer would send samples by May 2020. That came and went, and my contacts were told by Speer that it was being delayed. Around August/Sept multiple reports of the ammo showing up at dealers. Can't get a confirmation from Speer th...

I use 55gr for subs only

Also note that all 2018 and newer SS198LF have a cannelure on the bullet. Not sure why unless they are using it for crimping, but it's well below the neck.

I spent the cost of a used car on 5.7 ammo to bring you all a true review of this DBX in 5.7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6P9BzwPKts&t=1s

The DBX is the only 5.7 gun so far that has literally no shoulder movement.

would be interested in seeing this brass you picked up. Sounds beat.

But my sample only likes the pro mags

Not much action here

what is the Lot #?

still here

TL: DR This is the performance we should expect out of SS197SR, but yet they keep dialing it back. Fiocchi should really start mechanically crimping rounds. P90 feeding OK, PS90 not so. Could be gun, or could be the feed angle and bullet profile. Min velocity gain from 10" to 16". Consistent perform...

post a picture of them. What velocity are you getting?

Review is done. If you want the lowest possible RDS mounting, then this cover and RDS mount are your Huckleberry. Some may not like the slide cover, so it may not be everyone's cup of tea. No issues at all after 1000 rds..

https://youtu.be/vaWk8vc3aYM

Sinterfire bullet, that EA has been producing for some time. This is the first that this load has been available in the US. The results will surprise you for it's performance..

https://youtu.be/ib0bffKJ9yI
https://youtu.be/ib0bffKJ9yI[/youtube]

It's in all 5.7 platforms

They require the lacquer..

Ran this little custom load from EA through the ringer. It did quite well..

https://youtu.be/LE-a7sflPjQ

We won't know until reloaders start working with it.

I check in every so often

^ To my knowledge no.

i'm here

the coating helps the round "stick" in the chamber slightly longer to allow the blowback action to do it's job safely

Yes. the SBR wasn't available for me to review at the time.

The 8" version I reviewed had velocities very close to P90 SBR.

Top three are the USG model. The bottom is the MK2 which is the newest model

links to these blog posts

^ Yep

one of theirs had a slight crack in the neck yes.

Wonder what dies Triple R uses (see subsonic far right)
https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=5BD32F72

Got pictures? Do you have EA's case gage? I believe that's normal from another picture I've seen of people using 1x brass.

This is the new gun that's been hidden behind NDAs..
https://youtu.be/QH3y1xC0ugM

panzermk2 wrote: ↑

14 Jul 2018, 11:06

PainKillaX wrote: ↑

13 Jul 2018, 15:14

Buffman wrote: ↑

12 Jul 2018, 16:51

Wait a couple weeks

Taking a page out of the LaRue play book I see.

LOL He has to, and not to brag to much but Buffman has one to review because I asked them to get him one.

Yep, owe that one to Jay.

PainKillaX wrote: ↑

13 Jul 2018, 15:14

Buffman wrote: ↑

12 Jul 2018, 16:51

Wait a couple weeks

Taking a page out of the LaRue play book I see.

Gotta play by the rules sometimes

Wait a couple weeks

Howdy

Velocity, Tons of Penetration!! I'm sure EA will further tweak this design
https://youtu.be/ocmwzC9o728

5.3" and 10.3" barrel used in test

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yZfMjMmMY0[/YouTube]

no Sir...
What they are hinting at, do not know yet. Just parts to switch Mp7 over to 5.7? A semi auto Mp7 in 5.7 for US?
https://www.instagram.com/gsg9.us/

GSG9 ( a manufacturer in AZ) is making a Mp7 in 5.7

I have a feeling this would out penetrate T6B, but I'm liking the slightly less penetration from the T6B over this. Would like to see the T6B return to 28gr and bump the speed back up.

They work good if you have a good range behind where you're shooting. Pistol range with close (under 15 yd) back stop, no workie..

Someone needs to look at having the DNS record updated. I wonder if that's why it's so dead around here. I can get here and resolve to: 99.172.28.101 but many can't even get a ping to tell resolve IP

^^ hard to say. Shot placement with any round is key. My take away from it, is that SS197SR inside his body still destroyed quite a bit of stuff. Had that been a "glorified" 22 magnum, would the tissue destruction been the same?

still have people who can't reach it for some time.

Man Kave is your best bet. He's on the other forum.

but the naysayers still claim that's fake news

You could see if EWK would make you a one off? http://www.ewkarms.com/zen8/

so the reverse of the adapters for the FSN to use standard 22 LR.

Not easy to come by

So can you .22lr do this? :O

I have the Dev's on hand, just need to get $$$ for a gel block for testing. IMO the best penetrating to wounding potential ammo is T6b/Dev. SS190 may out penetrate it on PE style hard armor, but it is limited soft tissue penetration.

^ Yes. It is about 200 fps slower..

Chrono still only shows S4m around 200 fps faster than SS198

^ He lives!

Welcome Aboard

Eric, IMO the two good subsonic loads I've used are EA's and R&R Weapon Systems. Although I haven't tested the others

Without a civilian 4.6 gun in the US, tests are going to be hard to come by.. I can confirm smaller 4.5 rounds (17HMR) from a full length rifle barrel can penetrate soft armor. The question would be, with the restricted 4.6 ammo, how would it do.

Without a civilian 4.6 gun in the US, tests are going to be hard to come by.. I can confirm smaller 4.5 rounds (17HMR) from a full length rifle barrel can penetrate soft armor. The question would be, with the restricted 4.6 ammo, how would it do.

it is 2-5% slower than SS197SR

Depends on the load.. AE TMJ loses about 100 fps

bvtbee66 wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2017, 00:53

Awesome Buffman By the way, any information about why "EA" is only now selling this *37gr DevestaTOR to the general civilian populace ?

performance gap between T6B and current Dev has closed to the point where they are very similar, so EA opened up the sales..

Working on the ballistic testing.

I had been in contact with the CEO and last I checked it was on hold

Nice!

^^ I got one Just didn't have it on in the picture.

AE TMJ and SS197SR are both loaded by Fiocchi. Quality can be iffy on both. I've had good luck with AE TMJ, albeit it's slow as fudge..

^ 1000 fps give or take.

^ That will do it no problem in most cases. I'm trying to figure out what will do it subsonic

Still finding out which 55gr FMJ will do this like the factory SB193 does. I tried some generic FMj and it was a no go.

I've switched over to flickr. I can hardly use PB because of all the ads even with Ad Blocker

My PB works?

What ammo are you using? Ever cleaned the chamber with carb cleaner?

Get some

This is VG's updated V57 prime. There is no denying that Jay's design in my opinion is a game changer for the 5.7x28mm platform. It's weight to length ratio, is keeping it at speeds designed for it to "act like a rifle bullet"

I think I gave up a little penetration from the non solid mounting. Plus pulling the two dev shots sucked

We'll see how it goes. Trying to get one before everyone else

I thought originally they stated the sear was the thing that was too complex for them to design.??

I'd test it. Although it's DAO

I'll keep that in mind. However with these coming with a premium cost, I wouldn't want to take away from anyone's stash because I need upwards of 25 for testing.

To my knowledge no. The V57 very closely resembles the T6/T6B. If you look at the black fang, you can see they've changed the design of the front most section. What else they changed, I won't know until I have samples for testing.

Got some PS90 SBR and FSN action on this crazy light can

Thanks for getting it back up

The V57 prime is the one I reviewed and what you saw online. Yes it's very close to the T6/B design. I am waiting on samples of the Black Fang.

Thanks. All in due time. Just wanted to let it get warmer around here before I do more.

panzermk2 wrote:It would have been nice if you had gone into it's a rip off of my round.

I did say "looks like s5"

Lengthy history on this bullet, but I've always wanted to test it. So Velocity, Gel, Armor

Perhaps EA would be willing to load some? I'd be more than willing to test..

^ I have some gangsta footage of me firing it out of my car So much more easy to move with 10.3" barrel

Finally

FN PS90 SBR

FN PS90 SBR

FN PS90 SBR

The FSN has a little primer flow as pictured. His does look a little odd, but the FSN spent primers do not look like say a traditional spent 5.56 case.

FNH must have their finger on the magic powder/bullet combo. According to their flier the SB193 is a 62gr fmj. It does not specify if its designed for use in only the PS90 or FSN. I myself seem to have no issues creating stable subs using 55gr fmj bullets. I haven't done very much testing with 62gr...

This guy:

http://collectibleammunition.com/catego ... at=57-x-28" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I was showing another person the types of 5.7 to be on the lookout for (ignore the ELP crap on the page) and I got to page 4 and was like :OOOOOO I bought the last one he had.

can you snap a pic of where the bullet hangs on the R37X when it chambers?

OAL is 1.6975" :) BTW it does chamber (by hand) in the guns :) Sorry for the lighting. My Macro Light died :( http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o591/Svlwrx/IMG_4850_zpshj2cntue.jpg http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o591/Svlwrx/IMG_4854_zpsqdmrht0t.jpg http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o591/Svl...

I think their 37gr expanding is better than the frag round, but YMMV

Did you have a Misfire ~1.35? Seems like the FPS out of the pistol are Quite a bit slower than Advertised.... Like about 500 FPS lower It is also a little disappointing to see how far it went before creating a wound cavity. And then not fragmenting. Seems like its almost for exclusively for penetra...

Velocity, Gel, Armor, and Sheet Metal Test

Brand new CMMG barrel? What rounds are you firing? What adapter did you use to affix the barrel back into the receiver? Did you remember the spring in the receiver? How tight did you tighten the barrel?

for the MK II doesn't FN already sell the .35x and .38X blade with tritium vial?